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    Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 19:00
It looks like Bedford will be borrowing a new #9 for three weeks, after Northampton's Connor Tupai was cited for the tip tackle that dumped Coventry's Will Owen on his head last weekend.



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There was another hearing this week, involving Toby Williams (Nottingham v Ealing):
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I struggle to understand why there should be such a wide discrepancy in the sanctions applied by the RFU in recent cases:
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Agreed, we  feel hard done by at Donny
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

I struggle to understand why there should be such a wide discrepancy in the sanctions applied by the RFU in recent cases:




I believe it is better to read the whole report rather than the headlines:
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The Mark Best document is pretty gruesome, I won't quote all of it, but the below is...bad. Exacerbated by (according to the RFU) no show of remorse.

Even allowing for the fact that this was a dynamic situation, we were unable to accept that Mr Best could not tell the difference between the ball and the face of his opponent. He said that he could not see the ball but yet, as he freely admitted, he nevertheless decided to try and rip what he was holding. Thus, with his hand on the face of his victim, perilously close to the eyes, and with a finger or fingers in the nostril or nostrils he ripped the opponents head up using significant force. This ripping action caused the gaping wound that we have described and which we have seen in person.
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I’ve been reading quite a lot of these documents as part of my research for my uni dissertation. 
I’ve seen some pretty gruesome stuff but the worst seems to be in the very amateur games, I was surprised that there was such an incident in a Championship game. I don’t see how Doncaster could feel hard done to in a sanction of the type given in the Best incident. No excuse for that. 
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

The Mark Best document is pretty gruesome, I won't quote all of it, but the below is...bad. Exacerbated by (according to the RFU) no show of remorse.

Even allowing for the fact that this was a dynamic situation, we were unable to accept that Mr Best could not tell the difference between the ball and the face of his opponent. He said that he could not see the ball but yet, as he freely admitted, he nevertheless decided to try and rip what he was holding. Thus, with his hand on the face of his victim, perilously close to the eyes, and with a finger or fingers in the nostril or nostrils he ripped the opponents head up using significant force. This ripping action caused the gaping wound that we have described and which we have seen in person.

I wonder what a criminal court would make of that?

Is the affected player going down that route?
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Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:


Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

The Mark Best document is pretty gruesome, I won't quote all of it, but the below is...bad. Exacerbated by (according to the RFU) no show of remorse.

Even allowing for the fact that this was a dynamic situation, we were unable to accept that Mr Best could not tell the difference between the ball and the face of his opponent. He said that he could not see the ball but yet, as he freely admitted, he nevertheless decided to try and rip what he was holding. Thus, with his hand on the face of his victim, perilously close to the eyes, and with a finger or fingers in the nostril or nostrils he ripped the opponents head up using significant force. This ripping action caused the gaping wound that we have described and which we have seen in person.

I wonder what a criminal court would make of that?

Is the affected player going down that route?

Don't know about that, but he did get up and hit the next ruck apparently - pretty tough for a 10!
What is frustrating from a Pirates perspective is that, had the ref or assistants seen this, the player would have been sent off and the outcome of the game may well have been different (Donny won by a couple of points). 
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My concern in all this was the difference in the sanction between 1 week for an offence which was admitted as intentional foul play by a player who apparently was not defined as as a repeat offender whilst at the same time not defined as having a good record and the sanctions applied to the other lads whose offences were apparently accepted as unintentional. 
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

My concern in all this was the difference in the sanction between 1 week for an offence which was admitted as intentional foul play by a player who apparently was not defined as as a repeat offender whilst at the same time not defined as having a good record and the sanctions applied to the other lads whose offences were apparently accepted as unintentional. 

I believe that incidents involving contact with the face/head will attract a greater sanction than tripping of players - unless the act of tripping is proven to cause an injury that leads to a player leaving the pitch.

As the David Ward disciplinary report says:

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This type of foul play is at a lower level of gravity relative to other acts of foul play, such as foul
play to the head.
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The Panel could not identify any feature that could justify a Mid-Range entry. Of note, the Panel
was unable accept that the trip aggravated an existing injury.
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Thanks Steve. I'm still at a loss to understand how intentional foul play can ever be considered less serious than other rugby incidents which have been accepted as unintentional but just happened to involve head contact. 
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If a player slaps someone around the face with an open hand, causing no injury apart from a little redening, that is intentional foul play, and contact with the head. It 8s however essentially harmless.

If a player running backwards to take a high ball crashes through the legs 8f a jumping player, it can bring him down on his head/shoulders, or back from a significant height, potentially ending his career or worse.

One is totally deliberate, the other careless or reckless. Which 8s the most serious? 
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Two cases from Round 11
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Looks like it might have triggered Curry's decision to retire at 25!
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