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    Posted: 01 Nov 2022 at 18:11
I have just watched footage of the Ealing Trailfinders Brunel University Academy team play Cardiff Met first team and beat them 24 to26. I was astounded how far they have come in such a short time. I believe Cardiff Met are in the Super BUCS league.Paddy Gill , ex Ealing player is the Head coach and he addresses his team and his enthusiasm shines through and all credit to Ealing and Brunel University in producing top quality rugby linked with an  education. 
They are obligated to rise through the Uni league system . 
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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That is the route Doncaster Knights Academy had to take No. 7 - they are now skirting the super league and are travelling as far as Strathclyde and St Andrews in Scotland 
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I was very impressed with the standard of rugby (albeit edited highlights). For me it would make more sense to align the academy system with the BUCS pathway, give young players the opportunity to receive an education or vocation for when their rugby career is over (whether sooner or later). 
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I have the pleasure of watching a number of the BUCS super-league games at Loughborough where my godson is a student (he does play but for one of the other teams). It's a cracking standard of rugby, played with skill and no little physicality.
One downside the crowd is usually made up off students, more often that not they have "taken drink". But usually a very good evening's entertainment
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Originally posted by oldman oldman wrote:

I have the pleasure of watching a number of the BUCS super-league games at Loughborough where my godson is a student (he does play but for one of the other teams). It's a cracking standard of rugby, played with skill and no little physicality.
One downside the crowd is usually made up off students, more often that not they have "taken drink". But usually a very good evening's entertainment

The Student spectators at Loughborough have been the subject of many a Chat over a pre-match lunch.
I doubt that any of them are there to read the Classics, or plan a career with a degree in English Literature. I think that a life in a tracksuit is what the majority hope for. Just how many Sports Scientists do we need?
They say 'ignorance is bliss' but it can also be rude and annoying.
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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Originally posted by oldman oldman wrote:

I have the pleasure of watching a number of the BUCS super-league games at Loughborough where my godson is a student (he does play but for one of the other teams). It's a cracking standard of rugby, played with skill and no little physicality.
One downside the crowd is usually made up off students, more often that not they have "taken drink". But usually a very good evening's entertainment

The Student spectators at Loughborough have been the subject of many a Chat over a pre-match lunch.
I doubt that any of them are there to read the Classics, or plan a career with a degree in English Literature. I think that a life in a tracksuit is what the majority hope for. Just how many Sports Scientists do we need?
They say 'ignorance is bliss' but it can also be rude and annoying.

Loughborough is not just a sports Uni- it has a very highly rated engineering department for example which always scores very highly in league tables. I actually looked at Loughborough to do my Masters degree- which ironically enough was in English Literature. The course was excellent and highly rated, but I had a specialist thesis topic and it just wasn’t quite flexible enough. But oooh, did I imagine that as Loughborough can’t possibly offer English Literature courses, can it now… 
Granted I know how annoying students can be- as a mature student I wasn’t in to all that caper- but to state that basically there’s nothing much doing there except Sports Science is incorrect. 


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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Just how many Sports Scientists do we need?

We can't have more than 50% of the population. They need to work on at least a 1 to 1 basis!
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Apparently, sports science makes up just under 20% of the Loughborough student body.
Surely they should all be out on a playing field somewhere, you know doing sport.
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Originally posted by oldman oldman wrote:

I have the pleasure of watching a number of the BUCS super-league games at Loughborough where my godson is a student (he does play but for one of the other teams). It's a cracking standard of rugby, played with skill and no little physicality.
One downside the crowd is usually made up off students, more often that not they have "taken drink". But usually a very good evening's entertainment



I enjoy watching BUCS Super Rugby, it is streamed live on YouTube.

I watched Bath v Durham at The Rec last week -- it was a great game and the students had filled one of the stands and were obviously enjoying 'the drink'. The hospitality boxes seemed well ocuppied too. The atmosphere was very lively and raucous.

I saw this as a big plus, and one that I'm sure many clubs in the Championship & National Leagues would be envious of Smile
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My son did a degree and masters in economics at Loughborough. 
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I watched Bath v Durham at The Rec last week -- it was a great game and the students had filled one of the stands and were obviously enjoying 'the drink'. 

Interesting that 10 of the Bath team were members of the Bath RFC Academy. Is that a potential model for the 'new' Premiership -all academies and their players to be based at universities, playing midweek in a competitive competition rather than waiting for an occasional Prem Cup game to come along or be farmed out everywhere in the Championship and Nat 1.?
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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

I watched Bath v Durham at The Rec.... Is that a potential model for the 'new' Premiership -all academies and their players to be based at universities, playing midweek in a competitive competition rather than waiting for an occasional Prem Cup game to come along or be farmed out everywhere in the Championship and Nat 1.?
It'd make far more sense. So no.
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Linking Academies to universities is great for those who are academic, but what about those players who do not want to go to a university. There must be another route.
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Whilst we are discussing acadamies, there is a very interesting interview with Jack van Poortvilet on the NLR Twitter site. Jack remarks on when he was an 18 year old, being loaned out, how much he learned about the game by playing senior rugby at level 4 and, about being involved in a community rugby club. I agree with Jack. This interview is not really a good advert for the academy system.
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Rugby Forum right? Or have I accidentally joined the Wednesday Afternoon Uni Students on the Lash forum?
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Loughborough had two squads , BUCS and National 1 a few seasons ago. There was movement of players across the squads . Of all of the key players that stood out in that 4 year period I followed Loughborough several are playing in the Premiership and many more in the Championship. The standard of rugby was top notch. The coaching team  which included England player George Chuter were outstanding and worthy of the title 'elite rugby ' 
My own son studied mechanical engineering his friend from school , George Eastwell studied Geography and played for Jersey for a period. Most of the players were affiliated with a RFU Academy. Henry Taylor ( studied fine art ) was with Saracens and on lone to Bedford for a period.
The myth they are all studying Sports Science does not stack up to any scrutiny. 
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Originally posted by oldman oldman wrote:

Linking Academies to universities is great for those who are academic, but what about those players who do not want to go to a university. There must be another route.

There is and I covered this on another thread. Apprenticeships, wide range of options available and they provide a trade going forward. 

What Academies should be doing is providing options outside of rugby, as we all know that most players going through that structure will not make it big or make it at all so they need to provide options outside of the game. 
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I've no idea what kind of standard the University of East Anglia play to, but Cov's u19s beat them by something like 79-6 this afternoon.
Something of a mismatch, whatever.

Edit: yesterday afternoon. Didn't realise what the time was. Time for bye-byes...


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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Whilst we are discussing acadamies, there is a very interesting interview with Jack van Poortvilet on the NLR Twitter site. Jack remarks on when he was an 18 year old, being loaned out, how much he learned about the game by playing senior rugby at level 4 and, about being involved in a community rugby club. I agree with Jack. This interview is not really a good advert for the academy system.
You get that it's how all academies operate, correct? Lads get signed to contracts, train in the week with their parent club and play/train with the clubs they are loaned to. It's not like a lad from academy X is packed off to a national league club for a year. For all the whining about academies, it would be interesting to see the actual state of level 3/4 without the academy system, one imagines that most of these young players wouldn't get half as much game time if they weren't playing for free. 

I'm also not sure where the idea that players in academies aren't working on a dual-career pathway has come from. It is, after all, a big part of the audit processes each year for academies to document that players are working towards qualifications outside of rugby.
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