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    Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 17:34
Pirates owner Dicky Evans announced today at the game on BBC Radio Cornwall that the land swap with Cornwall Council  will go ahead next week and the Stadium construction will be complete by August 2022. In the meantime the existing ground at Mennaye will be upgraded to 10,000 to meet RFU criteria for Premier Rugby. Full BBC Radio Cornwall interview link available on Pirates Unofficial Forum. Further detailed information has now been posted on Cornish Pirates official website.

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Great news for the Pirates about the new ground...

Surprised to learn that there'll be further investment at the Mennaye. Promotion this season looks very unlikely, with Pirates having already lost three games more than Falcons, which would mean the best-case would be promotion in May 2021 and one season of top-level rugby at the old ground. A real statement of intent...
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Why spend all that money on the Mennaye for 1 or 2 seasons, surely money better spent on the squad, if they are serious about promotion, and ground share with a football club if Pirates get promoted?
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I would hope any changes will be done with temporary stands that can be hired for a season.
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Not wishing to start another general ringfencing thread here but it must be a worry with all that planning and the rug could be pulled from under them some time soon.

Is it a concern to the Pirates ?
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More likely they will expand Premier league to 14 teams.Safeguards Saracens Quins and Leicester who could be relegation candidates.
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Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

More likely they will expand Premier league to 14 teams.Safeguards Saracens Quins and Leicester who could be relegation candidates.
 

Unless the British & Irish league idea gets off the ground...
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In which case I am sure they will want at least 13 English teams.
They will support 14 if newcastle are not top of the Championship.

CVC need to get its money back - if one of the 13 is not earning TV money then that costs CVC money.

Which is why I think ring fenching is coming.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

In which case I am sure they will want at least 13 English teams.
They will support 14 if newcastle are not top of the Championship.

CVC need to get its money back - if one of the 13 is not earning TV money then that costs CVC money.

Which is why I think ring fenching is coming.


Not this season though - hopefully never, otherwise the next Exeter might as well fold.

If Premiership is ring-fenced at any number where does that leave the teams on the outside? I can guess that Championship clubs will lose a lot of if not all their RFU funding - they will need to go part-time or semi-pro as the N1 and N2 sides are.
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Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Why spend all that money on the Mennaye for 1 or 2 seasons, surely money better spent on the squad, if they are serious about promotion, and ground share with a football club if Pirates get promoted?
No football club in Cornwall comes anywhere close to having those types of facilities. The nearest would be over the border in Plymouth - over 78 miles away (almost 2 hours drive on a clear day).
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Read some fairly negative news
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[QUOTE=stadium]Pirates owner Dicky Evans announced today at the game on BBC Radio Cornwall that the land swap with Cornwall Council  will go ahead next week and the Stadium construction will be complete by August 2022. In the meantime the existing ground at Mennaye will be upgraded to 10,000 to meet RFU criteria for Premier Rugby. Full BBC Radio Cornwall interview link available on Pirates Unofficial Forum. Further detailed information has now been posted on Cornish Pirates official website.[/QUOT


Did this go ahead ?
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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No. The goal posts for promised government funding were moved and the land has now to be transferred again to a "community" group. That process in happening now. This is the frustrating thing about this process; every time we seem to have got over the line something else gets in the way.
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

[QUOTE=stadium]Pirates owner Dicky Evans announced today at the game on BBC Radio Cornwall that the land swap with Cornwall Council  will go ahead next week and the Stadium construction will be complete by August 2022. In the meantime the existing ground at Mennaye will be upgraded to 10,000 to meet RFU criteria for Premier Rugby. Full BBC Radio Cornwall interview link available on Pirates Unofficial Forum. Further detailed information has now been posted on Cornish Pirates official website.[/QUOT


Did this go ahead ?


What is the point in upgrading the Mennaye to meet Premier Rugby criteria?

At present there is no likelihood of the Championship starting this season.

Also does this mean the Stadium for Cornwall is years away from fruition?
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Raider 99 - the completion of the stadium depends on how long the funding takes to come through, I understand that it is being sorted at the moment. As soon as that is in place construction will start. My guess (and that's all it is) is a couple of years.

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Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Raider 99 - the completion of the stadium depends on how long the funding takes to come through, I understand that it is being sorted at the moment. As soon as that is in place construction will start. My guess (and that's all it is) is a couple of years.


If it's only likely to be a couple of years to completion, then IMO money spent upgrading the Mennaye is a waste - surely they could ground share for a season should promotion happen in the interim - especially as Saracens will be the next team to be promoted whenever that happens.

Of course if you mean a couple of years before funding is sorted then that is a different matter.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Raider 99 - the completion of the stadium depends on how long the funding takes to come through, I understand that it is being sorted at the moment. As soon as that is in place construction will start. My guess (and that's all it is) is a couple of years.


If it's only likely to be a couple of years to completion, then IMO money spent upgrading the Mennaye is a waste - surely they could ground share for a season should promotion happen in the interim - especially as Saracens will be the next team to be promoted whenever that happens.

Of course if you mean a couple of years before funding is sorted then that is a different matter.

The uncertainty is the killer. Money spent on The Mennaye isn't wasted as it will be a legacy for PZ and N RFC and Pirates Ams. Of course it doesn't need to be over the top because, as I understand it, upgrading The Mennaye to Premiership criteria would be almost impossible due to the constraints of the site. Maybe some dispensation would be sought to play a season there, if the unlikely happened and we were to be promoted, whilst waiting for the stadium to be ready (if it was actually under construction).  Ground share would be problematical as there is nowhere in Cornwall that would be suitable (which is why the stadium is so desperately needed) so we'd have to go to Plymouth (or Exeter!). All pretty academic at the moment as there is no prospect of any rugby being played for some considerable time.
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Sadly Stalwart, the other issue here is we seem to be closer than ever to the Premiership becoming a closed shop which would bring into question just what sort of size any new Stadium for Cornwall would realistically need to be. As someone whose spent lots of time and money watching Pirates for years and being on the stadium journey from the start, it looks to be pretty grim at the moment.
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Originally posted by Surreyben Surreyben wrote:

Sadly Stalwart, the other issue here is we seem to be closer than ever to the Premiership becoming a closed shop which would bring into question just what sort of size any new Stadium for Cornwall would realistically need to be. As someone whose spent lots of time and money watching Pirates for years and being on the stadium journey from the start, it looks to be pretty grim at the moment.

One thing we can be sure of is that there won't be ring-fencing while Sarries are in The Championship. With rugby this season looking unlikely that gives a bit of breathing space. I reckon any attempt at ring-fencing would bring legal challenges so hopefully it'll be a while before they can bring it in. If it happens there may be other options for The Pirates - maybe Pro 14 or a breakaway from the RFU? Re the size of the stadium, the plan(as I understand it) is to start with the minimum needed for Premiership criteria and build on it from there as Exeter have done.
We have to keep believing or we might as well shut up shop and give up altogether.
Hope all is well Ben and you and yours are coping with this horrible year we're all having.
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