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    Posted: 03 Feb 2021 at 09:58
So last season Eddie Jones winds up the French during the week before the opening 6 Nations and the French make us look stupid and beat us thus stopping a Grand Slam. Fast forward 12 months and the week before we play Scotland Jamie George comes out and says 'We want to take teams apart'. Scotland are a fast improving team especially in the scrum. England are without their top 3 scrummagging props; Sinkler Vinupola and Marler. Genge is a hothead - I predict at least 3 scrum pens- and Obano untested at this level. Why on earth make this public statement? What would be wrong with winning well and being humble in victory?
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Marigold . . .  100% agree . . . do you're talking on the pitch!!!!
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Trying to wind up South Scotfrica isn't a good idea.
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England like their head coach simply have no class.
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It's all simply paper talk designed to whip up interest in the fans. It makes no difference at all to players at that level - it just doesn't work like that. Almost all the players know each other anyway. If a player isn't completely, utterly 100% motivated to give it everything in a game of that importance then he would never have reached that level anyway.
 
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

England like their head coach simply have no class.


Where the Welsh just exude class throughout !LOL
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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1- no
2- yes
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Trash talk is the fashion now. Look at the way boxers abuse each other. And politicians, and cricketers and footballers and their managers. So Eddie is just another mannerless copycat.
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Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

Trash talk is the fashion now. Look at the way boxers abuse each other. And politicians, and cricketers and footballers and their managers. So Eddie is just another mannerless copycat.

What's Eddie said by way of trash this week? There may have been something ill-advised from Jamie George a week or so back, but otherwise I've not heard/read much...
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

England like their head coach simply have no class.


Where the Welsh just exude class throughout !LOL

Where does Wales come into it? Certainly not from me as I'm English.

Do tell.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2016/02/25/eddie-joness-11-most-incendiary-quotes/jonathan-sexton-kicking-the-ball/
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Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2016/02/25/eddie-joness-11-most-incendiary-quotes/jonathan-sexton-kicking-the-ball/
Not exactly hot off the press ...
Speak softly, but carry a big stick.
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We'll see how things go on Sat- how long is it since Farrell played?

Tactics adopted by Eddie are critical - bit more ball in hand?
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I'll be amazed if its anything other than dirge as usual - ie re-set scrums, endless box kick bingo, ping pong long kicks until someone makes a mistake and back slapping all round at every turnover, scrum pen, big hit etc etc
International rugby just doesn't excite any more. That said I'll probably still watch (in hope that it's not all of the above rather than expectation) 
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Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

We'll see how things go on Sat- how long is it since Farrell played?

Tactics adopted by Eddie are critical - bit more ball in hand?

Good point. A real test of the 'intense' training environment that's been spoken about.

Saturday at 4.45 will be two months to the day, almost to the minute, that Farrell, as well as George, Itoje and Daley, finished the ANC final v France - their most recent game. Billy V had a run-out v Ealing a couple of weeks ago...


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What has Eddie Jones ( he is not Welsh ) got be arrogant about ? .

The record-unbeaten run lasted 18 games, 17 under his tenure. It was the joint-longest by a Tier One side in Test history. Of his 54 Tests, England have won 42, with one draw, putting Eddie at the top of a very elite list.
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Won42
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Edited by No 7 - 04 Feb 2021 at 19:38
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Just as well he is winning games could you imagine the criticism if he was losing games.


OpponentPlayedWonDrewLostWin ratio (%)ForAgainst
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 Australia7700100250136
 Fiji11001005815
 France640267149110
 Georgia1100100400
 Ireland750271176101
 Italy660010025058
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 New Zealand2101503423
 Samoa11001004814
 Scotland53116014099
 South Africa630350137139
 Tonga1100100353
 United States1100100457
 Wales970278194152
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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Genge was a hot head, he is now one hell of a loosehead who is a great player in the loose.
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

What has Eddie Jones ( he is not Welsh ) got be arrogant about ? .

The record-unbeaten run lasted 18 games, 17 under his tenure. It was the joint-longest by a Tier One side in Test history. Of his 54 Tests, England have won 42, with one draw, putting Eddie at the top of a very elite list.
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Head CoachEddie Jones
Won42
Draw1
Lost11
Win %78%


Real champions win without arrogance.
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

What has Eddie Jones ( he is not Welsh ) got be arrogant about ? .

<div ="ikjnec"="" aria-level="3" role="ing" style="font-size: 16px; margin-bottom: 16px; color: rgb32, 33, 36; font-family: arial, sans-serif;">The record-unbeaten run lasted 18 games, 17 under his tenure. It was the joint-longest by a Tier One side in Test history. Of his 54 Tests, England have won 42, with one draw, putting Eddie at the top of a very elite list.
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Real champions win without arrogance.
And Australians are arrogant, normally without reason to be
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