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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6632 |
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Why do the RFU give clubs money? The RFU give the Premiership money for one reason only and that is to have extra access to their English qualified players for internationals. The important word here is extra as they already have a right to them for internationals and a fixed number of training days under World Rugby laws. The RFU are paying for extra training time in the hope that this makes them better players, capable of winning the Six Nations and World Cup nad therefore bring in extra money into the game. In recent seasons this plan has definitely failed. My calculations show over the 8 year current PRL deal this is costing £550,000 per international player. It is immaterial to the RFU whether all 50 play for one club or are divided across the Premiership, they are still paying it. The beneficiaries are the Premiership clubs as a whole - and I understand they pool this money anyway. £ 220,000,000.00 full amout of PRL deal over 8 years £ 27,500,000.00 per year 50 players called up for England training on average = £ 550,000.00 per player per year And if we break it down to per international - say 12 a season, then it is £46k approx. That is additional to the RFU match fee. By giving clubs this amount of money it has created wage inflation - and wages are the biggest cost to any club. The current PRL deal means that England, unless under special circumstances, have to pick players from the Premiership clubs, which gives them a strong bargaining chip. People claim the the Premierships deserve this money as they are the ones who are developing the players - but this isn't a clear cut argument as a lot of the player development may have taken place at other clubs - we all know examples of how a player developed by being on loan to a Championship club. But do those clubs receive any additional revenue for player development? No is the simple answer. Therefore should the RFU money to the clubs be split in a more complex way? When a player represents England, should all his former clubs receive some compensation for his development, rather than his existing Premiership receiving it all? It would be a fairer distribution of money allowing those clubs who play a part in a players development to receive some compensation for their efforts and encourage other clubs to further English players development in preference to overseas players as they may eventually receive a financial benefit in the future.
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gerg_861 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jun 2017 Location: Ealing Status: Offline Points: 2924 |
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My understanding from recent reports from Francis Bacon is that the RFU can't afford to give ANYTHING in the next PGA. Doesn't mean that they will follow his fiscally sensible advice, but the current PGA can't be seen as anything other than an utter failure.
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billesleyexile ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2013 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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Yes.
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keep the faith
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 12002 |
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Its biblical. Mathew 25:29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have
abundance; but from him that hath not, shall be taken away even that
which he hath. Apparently, after the time of tribulation, we reach the Kingdom of God.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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billesleyexile ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2013 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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Will there be sandwiches? And can you confirm that the Kingdom of God hasn't gone over-budget on it's West Stand? I so hate disappointing surprises.
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keep the faith
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LHTT ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Official Toliet key holder Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Surrey darling! Status: Offline Points: 882 |
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Article in the Guardian today says Kingdom of God RFC has gone into administration after being served with a winding-up petition by HMRC.
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Irritating Offspring of the word unite.
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Robb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2017 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 1676 |
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Amen
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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6632 |
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I'm sure Kingdom of God are a rugby league side? Jesus captain with 12 others playing around him. But they don't have to worry as there will be a second coming.
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LHTT ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Official Toliet key holder Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Surrey darling! Status: Offline Points: 882 |
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Irritating Offspring of the word unite.
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You can't always get what you want. It'll be a long and winding road even if we can find someone to carry that weight. Yesterday, all our troubles seemed so far away; it even looked like good news week but someone did drop a bomb, well and truly contaminating the atmosphere. As Queen said: “You can’t turn back the clock you can’t turn back the tide Ain’t that a shame Edited by FHLH - 08 Jun 2023 at 12:33 |
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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I read the first post and started drafting a serious reply. Then I saw the other posts and thought - don't bother!
Thanks for the laugh (s).
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LHTT ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Official Toliet key holder Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Surrey darling! Status: Offline Points: 882 |
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Gotta laugh Halliford or.....
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Irritating Offspring of the word unite.
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SK 88 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2011 Location: Leicester Status: Offline Points: 614 |
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RFU invest less in pro game as a proportion of their revenue or profit than anyone else and wonders why it has bad results.
Personally I'd love the RFU to go back to only having access to the players 6 days before a test match and actually getting to see them play for their club, I'd love for people to see what would happen if the clubs did fold their academies up to what they actually want to run because the RFU wasn't paying them to run uneconomically big ones. I'd love the clubs to test regulation 9 in court and most likely win a massive chunk of their season back. I doubt the England first crowd would like to see the mess at Twickenham that produced. Baron's report is interesting reading. Principally it highlights how the RFU executive have sold off their matchday hospitality income to Compass & their TV revenue to CVC. This will leave them with no money for the amateur game at all. But people will, in all seriousness, think that this group is competent to do anything in future and should get their hands on even more family jewels to flog off. The RFU needs total reform and effective dissolution into at least three totally separate organisations, one to run the amateur game with new regional groupings taking over the county boards, one to run the national leagues (which already exists in the NCA really), and one to take over running of the pro game in its entirety with PRL & Championship groupings being folded into a new organisation that runs the professional game as a coherent entity. Ironically it was one of Baron's predecessors who was proposing something similar in 1997, but that was kyboshed by the county unions refusing to yield their power. |
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England's women have a new better deal.
'The RFU says other "enhancements" include improved match fees, better opportunities for off-field development and agreements around "revenue sharing if business targets are exceeded".'
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Everyone surely knows Jesus plays Association Football, not rugby.
Jesus saves! (But Sterling scores from the rebound). |
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When i first saw that, it was Charlton scores from the rebound! Not saying it’s an old joke, but ….
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Thank you for digging out that article. It's interesting that the financial meltdown was predicted so long ago. Barron is also scathing of the current financial mess. We have to ask ourselves if both former CEOs wanted change and wanted to head off impending financial doom then what is stopping them?
The only insight I have is a brief chat with the head brass at the RFU when I suggested that London should have its own CB. They largely agreed but said it was difficult and too many vested interests were involved.
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Ditto the academies (or are they included in the money you quoted Richard)? Either way they are failing to improve the England team and, dare I say it, to the detriment of the community game. |
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tigerburnie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 3995 |
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England have some excellent young players coming from the academies, playing in the Premiership, the fact that Jones chose not to use them, for example giving one cap to George Martin then binning him, was an example of the folly of the RFU having no idea. Maybe Borthwick will play it differently. Jones was only interested in his own cv, he had no interest in building an England team for the future, he didn't want to bump into another good England team when he was back in charge of Australia again.
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