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Steve@Mose
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Posted: 03 Nov 2021 at 09:48 |
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World Rugby to vote on easing rules on player Test team switches
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Richard Lowther
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If we start to allow players a second opportunity to choose which country to represent I believe it is the start of a slippery slope which will turn International rugby into just another form of club rugby, where players have the freedom to move around and look for the best deal. Once a player reaches 18 (there is a different argument for those under that age) the player is old enough to understand the long term decision they are making. Let's be honest most decisions are finically driven and the players (and agents!) will make a decision that basis if they have to choose between two or more countries for which they have qualify. A player who has represented the 'All Blacks' is always going to be more of a box-office draw than another player who plays for Fiji/Samoa/Tonga. If we believe the press reports about this weeks game, England players will pick up £70,000 whilst Tongans will collect only £500. That is wrong and I see nothing in the new suggestion which would correct that in-balance. If appearance money was more equitable, then players wouldn't necessarily want to play for a bigger nation but would be happier representing the country of their birth or heritage. I fear if the plan goes ahead the bigger nations will cap any promising player once (last seconds off the bench even), then renew this every three years to stop the player changing countries.
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Raider999
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The difference in payment is huge (however not sure where your £70k comes from - the figure I have seen says £17.5k per person per game, still a lot more than the Tongans. I think the idea of a 3 year re-qualification is reasonable - many Pacific Islanders have been capped once or twice by NZ and then disappear from selection. Your fear about renewing the players ineligibility is just an extension of what happens now. A caveat I would add is that once you have played a certain number of tests then you are no longer able to change (15-20 perhaps?) - reasoning being by that stage you should really know who you want to represent. Edited by Raider999 - 03 Nov 2021 at 15:32 |
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The £70k figure is a per player payment if England win all three Autumn fixtures.
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Raider999
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Whereas the £500 payment is per game for Tongans so not like for like. Unfortunately, this disparity is caused by the Tongan RU not paying a decent level and the RFU being over-generous - do players really need to be paid that much to represent their country?? |
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Maybe I'm a bit old school but it's just absolutely outside my comprehension why the RFU pay players to represent England. Do they honestly think that some would refuse to play if there was no payment? I just can't see that happening and in this day and age of cost cutting in the community game the money could be used a lot more effectively. Madness.
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Robb
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Similar thing to cricket then.
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Runitback
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Yes they need to be paid . . . the right amount is another question!
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Run with it
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oneagainstthehead
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These are professionals we’re talking about. It’s out of the question to ask them to risk career ending injury on international duty for no recompense.
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French Connection
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I believe that all full time professional players are fully insured against career ending injuries incurred in an RFU organised or sanctioned match. The amount of money that some have received in the past is more than generous....hence my point about them not needing to be paid to represent their country.
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Count Ford
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Personally I like this idea..as long as it stays strictly for people that are nationals of that second country or direct (parental) connections and doesn't end up including residency.
Currently everything is in favour of T1 nations..most of whom have both the sporting and economic power to bring in huge numbers of players from other countries and then integrate them in their system. Not saying they would necessarily want to, but surely the benefits would be great if people like Dave Ewers or Don Armand were given the chance to play for Zimbabwe if they chose to
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More to the point, when is their going to be a limit set on the number of overseas players playing in the UK - particularly in the Premiership. I was hoping that Brexit would have put a stop to the never-ending imports, particularly South Africans Give young English talent a chance to play at the top level. |
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Regulation 13.4.3 states:
"At Levels 4 and above, a Club may not play or select as a replacement or substitute more than two Foreign Players in any match." If you go to th definition of foreign player "Due to the United Kingdom no longer being a member of the European Union, the RFU is working with stakeholders to determine the position going forwards with regards to the regulatory classification of Foreign Players. Pending agreement on the long term position, an interim position has been agreed for the 2021-22 season only being that the status quo will remain which means that those players who are or would have been classified as a Non-Foreign prior to 1 January 2021 will retain such Non-Foreign classification for the 2021-22 season. This applies to all players playing in the 2021-22 season, including those who are already playing in England or yet to arrive in England for the 2021-22 season. The RFU gives no assurances that players who are classified as Non-Foreign will be able to retain such status from the 2022-23 season onwards. " I suspect the RFU is waiting on DCMS guidance.
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Steve@Mose
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World Rugby changes rules to allow players to switch national teams
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John Cooney: Ireland scrum-half considering switch to Scotland
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"Irish rugby no longer wants me so suddenly I'm Scottish"
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Women's Six Nations 2023: Ex-Canada prop Mackenzie Carson to start for England
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@Raider999 above: Why would Brexit have put a stop to South Africans playing in England?
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https://churchcourtchambers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/The-Effects-of-Kolpak-and-Brexit-upon-Cricket-and-Rugby-What-happens-next.pdf
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Qualification should stop with passport held. End. None of this grandmother lark.
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