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    Posted: 08 May 2023 at 11:29
Some random thoughts which might make next season even better than 2022/23:
  • Automatic promotion and relegation based on performance on the pitch rather than the financially wasteful ground criteria.
  • Playoffs 
  • Stream one match every round but kickoff at 12.30 so it can be screened in other clubs before their own games.
  • Stop issuing automatic yellow cards when awarding penalty tries which imo is punishment enough.
  • Limit the number of short term loan/DR players in a match day squad to six.
  
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Promotion - with clarity about how many promotion places at the start of the season
Relegation - as without this there is no promotion, under the same criteria.
A full league season, so there is no need for play-offs.
I think we get 27 games this season, 5 in the cup and 24 in the league. - which is 14 guaranteed home games. That should be enough.

We cannot do anything about the laws as issued by IRB, so the yellow after a penalty try stands. I would actually go the other way, and issue yellows even though the opposition took the advantage and scored the try - foul play is still foul play.
 
My pet hate is the 50:22 - introduced to make more space, which was missing because nobody played on a wide enough pitch. So I would add, every side playing on a pitch 100 by 70 metre pitch with in-goal areas at least 10 metres deep

Some central publicity about the Championship
A decent round up program, with enough marketing that people find it - even if it is only on the internet.
Scores given in the TV coverage of the Premiership.
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I agree with corporal carrot about play-offs. They keep the season alive for longer with more meaningful games.
It should be part of whatever TV contract is devised that the Championship should be given, at the very least, a mention and not completely ignored as it is at present.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Promotion - with clarity about how many promotion places at the start of the season
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Don't be silly Camquin. What other sport decides how many teams will be promoted and relegated before the start of the season?

Oh hang on a moment it's every single one isn't it?
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Promotion - with clarity about how many promotion places at the start of the season
Relegation - as without this there is no promotion, under the same criteria.
A full league season, so there is no need for play-offs.
I think we get 27 games this season, 5 in the cup and 24 in the league. - which is 14 guaranteed home games. That should be enough.

We cannot do anything about the laws as issued by IRB, so the yellow after a penalty try stands. I would actually go the other way, and issue yellows even though the opposition took the advantage and scored the try - foul play is still foul play.
 
My pet hate is the 50:22 - introduced to make more space, which was missing because nobody played on a wide enough pitch. So I would add, every side playing on a pitch 100 by 70 metre pitch with in-goal areas at least 10 metres deep

Some central publicity about the Championship
A decent round up program, with enough marketing that people find it - even if it is only on the internet.
Scores given in the TV coverage of the Premiership.


Cam, can I break this to you gently?
While the NCA have a professionally organised group of leagues (from an outside view). The RFU treat and run the Championship like a carbuncle.

It’s a miracle each season we get to the end and find out we have not been relegated en masse to the German second division…although I expect a joint announcement between the RFU and DRV any season now.
The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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I had noticed.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I had noticed.

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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

My pet hate is the 50:22 - introduced to make more space, which was missing because nobody played on a wide enough pitch. So I would add, every side playing on a pitch 100 by 70 metre pitch with in-goal areas at least 10 metres deep

I think Northampton and Twickenham are the only pitch that size at the moment...................(but I suspect you already knew that lol)


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The goal line drop out is the one that gets my goat. I don’t see what was wrong before. If the attacking side are trying to score, but are held up, they still have possession, so it should be an attacking 5 mtr scrum. Likewise, if the attacking side play the ball into dead ball and it is touched down, they no longer have possession, it should be a 22 drop out…. What was so wrong with that?
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

The goal line drop out is the one that gets my goat. I don’t see what was wrong before. If the attacking side are trying to score, but are held up, they still have possession, so it should be an attacking 5 mtr scrum. Likewise, if the attacking side play the ball into dead ball and it is touched down, they no longer have possession, it should be a 22 drop out…. What was so wrong with that?

Agreed, total ridiculous law change.

Going down to 13 if a prop gets injured e.g. fail HIA and then the next gets a yellow is equally ridiculous. 

As is getting a yellow card as a prop as you are not as good as the opponent. Penalties and Penalty tries are big enough sanctions.

Proper enforcement of the 10m when taking a quick penalty and making kickers at penalties kick at the mark and not a few metres ahead of it. You can’t do it kicking for the posts so you shouldn’t be able to steal some extra metres when kicking for touch.
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

The goal line drop out is the one that gets my goat

Spot on! So weird

Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Small pitches

When I started a Level 10 (?) club we were lucky enough to have the use of a recreaction ground. We laid out 70w x  100m with 22 dead ball areas. I've never seen such fast flowing rugby - busy wingers. It may have been Level 10 but it was fast.

The Championship - all Levels - with maximum size pitches would be outstanding.
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No argument from me. Fair boils my p. 

Which is nothing compared to my loathing of the current scrum put in ‘laws’. Get hookers hooking again. Angry
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Originally posted by Old Gold Old Gold wrote:

Get hookers hooking again. Angry


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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by Old Gold Old Gold wrote:

Get hookers hooking again. Angry


Let's get that on a t-shirt!

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Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Going down to 13 if a prop gets injured e.g. fail HIA and then the next gets a yellow is equally ridiculous. 

As is getting a yellow card as a prop as you are not as good as the opponent. Penalties and Penalty tries are big enough sanctions.
Fully agree with this.
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Some random thoughts which might make next season even better than 2022/23:
  • Automatic promotion and relegation based on performance on the pitch rather than the financially wasteful ground criteria.
  • Playoffs 
  • Stream one match every round but kickoff at 12.30 so it can be screened in other clubs before their own games.
  • Stop issuing automatic yellow cards when awarding penalty tries which imo is punishment enough.
  • Limit the number of short term loan/DR players in a match day squad to six.
  

   - Yes
   - play off for what if automatic promotion?  
   - No
   - Yes
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Going down to 13 if a prop gets injured e.g. fail HIA and then the next gets a yellow is equally ridiculous. 

As is getting a yellow card as a prop as you are not as good as the opponent. Penalties and Penalty tries are big enough sanctions.
Fully agree with this.

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Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:


As is getting a yellow card as a prop as you are not as good as the opponent. Penalties and Penalty tries are big enough sanctions.

Proper enforcement of the 10m when taking a quick penalty and making kickers at penalties kick at the mark and not a few metres ahead of it. You can’t do it kicking for the posts so you shouldn’t be able to steal some extra metres when kicking for touch.


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Jersey are mentioned (in the Telegraph) as having seen a fixture list with 14 clubs and 26 fixtures despite the RFU telling them to prepare for a 13 team Championship.

Have any other clubs seen the provisional fixture list? 
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Some random thoughts which might make next season even better than 2022/23:
  • Automatic promotion and relegation based on performance on the pitch rather than the financially wasteful ground criteria.
  • Playoffs 
  • Stream one match every round but kickoff at 12.30 so it can be screened in other clubs before their own games.
  • Stop issuing automatic yellow cards when awarding penalty tries which imo is punishment enough.
  • Limit the number of short term loan/DR players in a match day squad to six.
  

Agree with all the above except ‘Playoffs’ - who between and for what purpose?

If in the highly unlikely event we have Promotion/Relegation without the Ground Criteria nonsense, then yes, playoff between 2nd bottom and 2nd top from division below. Premiership/Championship/ND1.

Oh, and as someone else mentioned, end Yellow cards being given to crap props. Losing scrum/giving away penalties is punishment enough. Keep them in the event of Penalty Tries if the ref deems it appropriate but NOT mandatory.
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