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stonehousealbion
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Topic: "Buried" News? Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 04:10 |
Two extremely cogent news stories which appear to have (been?) slipped under the radar:
. Perhaps some kind soul more accustomed to dealing with the powers that be can find a better source than that listed for the latter story (The Herald lacks credibility among the Plymouth faithful). The gist of the article is that Albion made an error similar to Rams on payments/material benefits.
I couldn't see anything on RFU or NCA...
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backrowb
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Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 07:29 |
Reading the PARFC cae has made me rather cross
It's like the RFU don't realise that the game is tun by well meaning volunteers
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TigerTitan
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Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 09:30 |
would love to no how PARFC were getting confused about MATERIAL BENEFITS sounds very fishy to me HMRC tax avoidance tax man knocking on door trouble same old rugby
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Neasham
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Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 09:43 |
Unless I’m reading this the wrong way all clubs are facing a loss of travel subsidy: “All ring-fenced onshore and offshore travel funding will be suspended for the 2020/21 season. Clubs who suffer financial distress as a result may be eligible for support from Club Support Fund (subject to confirmation of criteria).”
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Halliford
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Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 11:08 |
I have submitted my Club's Return this year and last. It wasn't easy in 2018/19, despite our payroll being managed through an accountancy firm. The Material Benefits clause could be awkward for those paying current students. I have some sympathy with PA but do recall that I held off submitting my Return until the last minute to check every query. Even then we were asked for contract details, which were satisfactory.
Losing the RFU Travel money is not disastrous, another effect of such a breach would be the loss of CB income, in our case over £50k so that would have been significant. Other Clubs that breached the "cap" didn't have that concern.
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Raider999
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Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 11:10 |
TigerTitan wrote:
would love to no how PARFC were getting confused about MATERIAL BENEFITS
sounds very fishy to me HMRC tax avoidance tax man knocking on door trouble same old rugby
| Having run my own company in the past, I can see how volunteers could easily be confused about Benefits - what with reams and reams of HRMC documentation on the subject.
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backrowb
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Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 11:35 |
I just don't see how when PARFC were the ones that contacted the RFU to say they may have done it wrong, then corrected the error, and still get hammered. Sorry, but I think that is petty and totally unwarranted
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Raider999
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Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 13:42 |
backrowb wrote:
I just don't see how when PARFC were the ones that contacted the RFU to say they may have done it wrong, then corrected the error, and still get hammered. Sorry, but I think that is petty and totally unwarranted | I thought that has been the case in other instances
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Camquin
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Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 13:55 |
I have not seen the form, but I thought the point was that four officers had to sign it off.
The point being that each one should check it is accurate.
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Rabbie Burns
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Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 14:20 |
I think the most famous case is in this neck of the woods was Medway RFC who complained about there players being poached and ended up a couple of leagues down, fined and other sanctions all around benefits in kind
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Robb
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Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 16:17 |
Rabbie Burns wrote:
I think the most famous case is in this neck of the woods was Medway RFC who complained about there players being poached and ended up a couple of leagues down, fined and other sanctions all around benefits in kind |
Though Medway also originally claimed to the RFU that the players were amateur while they were giving them semi-pro benefits without declaring them. Medway's wasn't just an administrative oversight.
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WEvans
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Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 16:34 |
TigerTitan wrote:
would love to no how PARFC were getting confused about MATERIAL BENEFITS
sounds very fishy to me HMRC tax avoidance tax man knocking on door trouble same old rugby
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Your post doesn't make any sense at all.
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Cannon
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Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 14:58 |
Robb wrote:
Rabbie Burns wrote:
I think the most famous case is in this neck of the woods was Medway RFC who complained about there players being poached and ended up a couple of leagues down, fined and other sanctions all around benefits in kind |
Though Medway also originally claimed to the RFU that the players were amateur while they were giving them semi-pro benefits without declaring them. Medway's wasn't just an administrative oversight. |
If you recall at the time Medway were castigated by all around them, yet it was well known other local clubs "amateur players" were benefitting from playing rugby, in the Kent press there was an article that clubs were poaching yet no one had followed their complaints up. My club was at L6 at the same time and we were very aware of players receiving material benefits and not just in Kent.
From my limited research, all the cases of clubs being disciplined are where the said club has made the RFU aware themselves, either through declaring their accounts for grants, loans or allowances or where a club has complained of players being poached.
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Rabbie Burns
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Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 16:46 |
Bit like Sarries in the AP. As you say at the time there was plenty of skullduggery going on probably still is
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Halliford
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Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 17:49 |
Cannon wrote:
Robb wrote:
Rabbie Burns wrote:
I think the most famous case is in this neck of the woods was Medway RFC who complained about there players being poached and ended up a couple of leagues down, fined and other sanctions all around benefits in kind |
Though Medway also originally claimed to the RFU that the players were amateur while they were giving them semi-pro benefits without declaring them. Medway's wasn't just an administrative oversight. |
If you recall at the time Medway were castigated by all around them, yet it was well known other local clubs "amateur players" were benefitting from playing rugby, in the Kent press there was an article that clubs were poaching yet no one had followed their complaints up. My club was at L6 at the same time and we were very aware of players receiving material benefits and not just in Kent.
From my limited research, all the cases of clubs being disciplined are where the said club has made the RFU aware themselves, either through declaring their accounts for grants, loans or allowances or where a club has complained of players being poached. |
I can’t remember exactly but I think there were also immigration offences with Medway - players incorrectly declared as British.
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Rabbie Burns
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Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 18:58 |
Not sure if they were declared British but they were I think Kiwis And Medway had paid the flights and accommodation And not declared it from memory. I am not sure that they broke any regulations on the English front but will happily be corrected. From memory it was around this time that several clubs suddenly had a first XV Ltd as the loopholes started to close
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Camquin
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Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 23:59 |
Among the bad news, the staff at the former YC Academy have been made redundant. As has the Kit manager. Reported on the Leeds board and Linkedin posts.
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Raider999
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Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 11:38 |
Camquin wrote:
Among the bad news, the staff at the former YC Academy have been made redundant.As has the Kit manager. Reported on the Leeds board and Linkedin posts.
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Jester10
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Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 12:22 |
After Rams had a points deduction for roughly the same offence as Plymouth the RFU probably has no choice, but that doesn't stop them being total Huckleberrywombles when it comes to dealing with volunteers.
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Jester10
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Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 12:24 |
I see that Chinnor have announced Delon Armitage as a Coach for the coming season. Bet he's cheap............
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