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    Posted: 05 Mar 2023 at 11:25
Further to the other thread. Who knows if true.
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What are the benefits and downsides of this deal if it goes ahead?

Ealing get something for all their investment in recent years and Wales RU offload the cost of supporting a fourth region.

What else? How does the wider game benefit?
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

What are the benefits and downsides of this deal if it goes ahead?

Ealing get something for all their investment in recent years and Wales RU offload the cost of supporting a fourth region.

What else? How does the wider game benefit?



What are the chances of the RFU agreeing to the switch?
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Can you see the RFU/PRL letting games go ahead on the outskirts of London taking crowds and much more importantly money away from the English game? They might get to play in Wales, can't see any games happening in Ealing.
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At the very least this should shake things up at the RFU. They, and the PRL have shafted the rest of the sport for too long and I, for one, hope Ealing can make this happen and stir the powers that be out of their comfort zone.
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Originally posted by *Stalwart *Stalwart wrote:

At the very least this should shake things up at the RFU. They, and the PRL have shafted the rest of the sport for too long and I, for one, hope Ealing can make this happen and stir the powers that be out of their comfort zone.
I agree and I for one have fond memories of playing in Anglo-Welsh fixtures and would welcome their return. Will anything come from the new proposals, rumours of two ten team leagues, fully funded, if it happens it might solve a lot of problems.
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IF this does go ahead it's a sad indictment on RFU/PRL that their inability to allow clubs to break into their selected cartel has forced a team to move to another league.

Im not sure how this merger would work though. Do Ealing basically lose their identity or are they proposing to play half the games in Swansea and half in London?

Or is it the other way round with Ospreys basically folding and moving to London with a heavy Welsh representation

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So Trailfinders would have to resign from the RFU and join the WRU. Creates issues then on ground availability and who gets preference. Ealing Women (RFU) may well be told to play a fixture at the same time as ET (WRU) same goes for Ealing 1871 (RFU),  can't imagine a massive influx of Ospreys Fans to West London to make this viable
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It says a lot for the state of Welsh rugby, Ospreys, the Galacticos of the Celtic league a few years back, with a large chunk of the National team as players.
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This makes me feel very uncomfortable, the rumour and hearsay doesn’t help. Could this be a ‘multi-club model’ as we are seeing in football? I.e. both Ospreys and Ealing remain in their respective leagues but they are owned by the same entity and there is movement of players between the two? 
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Is Ealing a proper rugby club with members paying an annual membership fee ?
Not trying to start a scrap, I genuinely don’t know.

My own little club floated a project to amalgamate with another club a couple of miles away in Stockport.
That produced the biggest ever turnout at an Annual General Meeting (playing members, non-playing members and general members) where it was roundly voted out.

Strikes me that, if Ealing is a member’s club then it will be what the members want as opposed to the wishes of the Committee
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Originally posted by Trailfinder Trailfinder wrote:

This makes me feel very uncomfortable, the rumour and hearsay doesn’t help. Could this be a ‘multi-club model’ as we are seeing in football? I.e. both Ospreys and Ealing remain in their respective leagues but they are owned by the same entity and there is movement of players between the two? 
Ealing have been treated shockingly by the RFU - although I hope Jersey beat your lads at St Peter in April Ealing's squad are far and away the best in class this season. Vallis Way is a cracking ground and the garbage rules the RFU chuck up to try and justify their protectionist policy is brazen. If the RFU keep going as they are we are likely to see more premiership clubs going bust - perhaps the ideal is to ultimately have half a dozen clubs who end up playing each other every week!
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Well that would certainly circumvent the legal challenges and any possible objections of Ealing applying for WRU membership individually. 
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Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

Is Ealing a proper rugby club with members paying an annual membership fee ?
Not trying to start a scrap, I genuinely don’t know.

My own little club floated a project to amalgamate with another club a couple of miles away in Stockport.
That produced the biggest ever turnout at an Annual General Meeting (playing members, non-playing members and general members) where it was roundly voted out.

Strikes me that, if Ealing is a member’s club then it will be what the members want as opposed to the wishes of the Committee

I don't know what the Ealing set up is but if it was a members club who voted against the plans, then what would it mean financially? Would the Trail finders money stop and Ealing would have to look elsewhere for income to play at Championship level?

This deal I guess is to bring top level rugby to Ealing to justify the Trail finders investment over the years. Other than that it makes no sense. 
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I don't understand why Ealing didn't have an alternative ground lined up if their ground cannot handle large crowds, clubs like Leicester Tigers often have 10,000 fans travelling to away games, it would be financial suicide to not be able to make the most of that many paying customers would it not?
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

I don't understand why Ealing didn't have an alternative ground lined up if their ground cannot handle large crowds, clubs like Leicester Tigers often have 10,000 fans travelling to away games, it would be financial suicide to not be able to make the most of that many paying customers would it not?

No club should have to have an alternative ground in place. They should be allowed to have their own plans for development at their current ground taking into account crowds and cost. 

If they want to have a big game at a big ground aka Quins etc then that would accommodate a large travelling crowd. 
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

I don't understand why Ealing didn't have an alternative ground lined up if their ground cannot handle large crowds, clubs like Leicester Tigers often have 10,000 fans travelling to away games, it would be financial suicide to not be able to make the most of that many paying customers would it not?

No club should have to have an alternative ground in place. They should be allowed to have their own plans for development at their current ground taking into account crowds and cost. 

If they want to have a big game at a big ground aka Quins etc then that would accommodate a large travelling crowd. 
Yes, but someone has said the locals and the council are against the ground being extended, now this must have been known about before, so why the wailing and gnashing of teeth, if the business is not built on solid foundations to succeed is that asking for trouble? Clubs have moved to better facilities in many sports, if rugby is to grow and clubs are to grow, then they need space to grow and it sounds like Ealing do not have the infrastructure/space to do so. Would it be safe for a crowd of potentially 15 or 20k fans to pass though a residential road? I don't know as I have not been to this ground.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

I don't understand why Ealing didn't have an alternative ground lined up if their ground cannot handle large crowds, clubs like Leicester Tigers often have 10,000 fans travelling to away games, it would be financial suicide to not be able to make the most of that many paying customers would it not?
If Ealing expected a crowd beyond the capacity of VW there are numerous grounds available for them to use. Falcons use St James Park when required & other clubs adopt the same practice WHEN REQUIRED - Wembley is a handful of miles away. The barking mad policy is to impose a rule which results in clubs funding ridiculous grounds which 90% of the time they never fill. Promotion should be based upon playing merit and nowt else.
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

I don't understand why Ealing didn't have an alternative ground lined up if their ground cannot handle large crowds, clubs like Leicester Tigers often have 10,000 fans travelling to away games, it would be financial suicide to not be able to make the most of that many paying customers would it not?
If Ealing expected a crowd beyond the capacity of VW there are numerous grounds available for them to use. Falcons use St James Park when required & other clubs adopt the same practice WHEN REQUIRED - Wembley is a handful of miles away. The barking mad policy is to impose a rule which results in clubs funding ridiculous grounds which 90% of the time they never fill. Promotion should be based upon playing merit and nowt else.

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