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The Scrummage Refereeing - Event Date: 23 Feb 2020
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Originally posted by Old Hooker Old Hooker wrote:

Greetings posters I trust you and yours are all well.

Those who read Rugby Paper will have seen the piece where Nigel Ownens is calling for the return of straight feeds to the scrum. EXCUSE me is he not in charge of games with all the other refs at all levels who can see the Lovely feeds and do nothing about it. He is the one who can change it but does F...A..
Hypocrite.

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Sadly its not Nigel who decides if its straight or not, World Rugby have said there's a metre gap it must go "straight" down - thus it always looks crooked as one side of a metre to the other is a big angle.

He is saying that he wants rugby to observe some obvious laws as opposed to legal arguments on every decision.
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Greetings posters I trust you and yours are all well.

Those who read Rugby Paper will have seen the piece where Nigel Ownens is calling for the return of straight feeds to the scrum. EXCUSE me is he not in charge of games with all the other refs at all levels who can see the Lovely feeds and do nothing about it. He is the one who can change it but does F...A..
Hypocrite.

That's better saves me having to go for an hours walk
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For sure its worse now than ever but clever scrummies have always feed the ball
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Seagoon. We are everywhere. We just want the came to be played as per the Laws
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Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

I'll rise to the challenge Seagoon - I accept that as far as scrummaging is concerned feeding has been part of the RL game as long as I can remember. For all but the last 5 (?) years putting the ball in straight was an integral part of the Union game - now it isn't but I'm not sure that RL had anything to do with it.

My two references to RL were intended to be asides designed to encourage debate - apologies I probably could have been more precise.


Apology accepted, Bigmal

I played at tighthead , way back in the 1960's/70's, and I loathe and detest the current feeding (No other word for it)

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I'll rise to the challenge Seagoon - I accept that as far as scrummaging is concerned feeding has been part of the RL game as long as I can remember. For all but the last 5 (?) years putting the ball in straight was an integral part of the Union game - now it isn't but I'm not sure that RL had anything to do with it.

My two references to RL were intended to be asides designed to encourage debate - apologies I probably could have been more precise.
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Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

Fair comment but leave Rugby League out of it.In RU if the ball is not straight then as far as I am aware that is a penalty.

I'm not sure when the "licence to feed" law was adopted but it seems to me its all about getting he ball back into play.

Of course getting the ball back into play quickly was the reason why the Nothern Union dispensed with the line out and "wing forwards".The paying spectators wanted action back in the day.

As an aside all the anti League comments on his forum make me smile given the current focus on the payment of players!


You said "Leave Rugby League out of it", but you went on to mention it TWICE!
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Fair comment but leave Rugby League out of it.In RU if the ball is not straight then as far as I am aware that is a penalty.

I'm not sure when the "licence to feed" law was adopted but it seems to me its all about getting he ball back into play.

Of course getting the ball back into play quickly was the reason why the Nothern Union dispensed with the line out and "wing forwards".The paying spectators wanted action back in the day.

As an aside all the anti League comments on his forum make me smile given the current focus on the payment of players!
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and what about the tap tackle - no arms involved
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Thanks for your input Clive. Ear still to the ground !!
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Arch Angel Arch Angel wrote:

Irrelevant whether it was a closed fist or not, it was still striking with the hand (even if OF deserved it) what was the 4th official watching?


The T M O intervened on several occasions but neither he nor Peyper bothered when England kicked through in the second half and an Irish defender took the kicker out.

I would say it was marginally late, possibly close enough not to penalise - however there definitely weren't any arms in the 'tackle'.

Have to agree, I am not sure Peyper is up to test match rugby at this time.


I am told that apparently any referee who visits South Africa, is looked after by JP in a great way, safari's, wine tasting etc etc and as such is seen by WR as a great guy and who cares if he is a useless Test match referee!

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Originally posted by Arch Angel Arch Angel wrote:

Irrelevant whether it was a closed fist or not, it was still striking with the hand (even if OF deserved it) what was the 4th official watching?


The T M O intervened on several occasions but neither he nor Peyper bothered when England kicked through in the second half and an Irish defender took the kicker out.

I would say it was marginally late, possibly close enough not to penalise - however there definitely weren't any arms in the 'tackle'.

Have to agree, I am not sure Peyper is up to test match rugby at this time.
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Irrelevant whether it was a closed fist or not, it was still striking with the hand (even if OF deserved it) what was the 4th official watching?
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The refs need to be professional and trained and paid accordingly, expecting amateur refs to run a pro game is not on, there's no game without a ref.
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I've long been in the belief that top referees should, every so often, drop down a few levels and referee at level 4 or 5. Especially 5 where they would be on their own with no help from the sidelines.
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Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

My biggest gripe is the constant whining, appealing & moaning at the officials we are constantly blasted for it every week 
 
If you stopped all the whining and appealing to the ref, what would Alan Wynn Jones do for 80mins?
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5. In waving his arms around and shouting at the Match Officials the Coach disrespected their authority and did not live up to value of Respect, which is at the heart of our Game. His conduct crossed the line and fell short of what is expected of a coach (and therefore a leader) of a National League club.

Chester coach got a one week ban -  Just read the wording of the above, from the hearing report,  and then consider what went on at the weekend
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The funniest thing was seeing Farrell lifted like a toddler hanging on to the 8's leg.
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My biggest gripe is the constant whining, appealing & moaning at the officials we are constantly blasted for it every week 
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