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Big Eddie
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Clive I am with you on all of those and I will add a few more: 11) Do not overburden hard working unpaid club volunteers with excessive bureacracy 12) Do not stress the h**l out of hard working unpaid club volunteers by being jobsworth's and punishing their club for minor administrative mistakes 13) Do not patronise the clubs who produce nearly all the players of tomorrow by awarding them just a plaque when they produce an England International player give them some tangible benefit 14) Recognise who actually you owe a duty of care and responsibility to (its isn't just the 12 Premiership clubs) 15) Uphold your own publicly stated values 16) Be transparent in all your dealings 17) Slim down your organisation 18) Get your culture back to where it should be 19) Cut out the Bullsh*t 20) Stop lecturing to rugby clubs about living within their means etc when you are not able to do this yourselves and neither are most of the Premiership clubs
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WEvans
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Yes but other than that Clive and Eddie they are doing a good job
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Clive Norling
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Wigwam
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Crikey !!!
If it’s as bad as all that I don’t think I’ll bother going to another game
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Big Eddie
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Clearly Touchline Expert struggles to understand why I am just a touch more than vexed by the RFU, and believes it is somehow related to something at Caldy or something the RFU is neglecting to do in the North West. It is none of those things. It is all about what I perceive as an arrogant and patronising organisation that lost touch with its constituents a long time ago.
Outside of the current financial mismanagement and political chicanery I will provide three instances where any respect I had for the RFU disappeared. 1. Many years ago my son was playing for Cheshire at Twickenham against Middlesex. The two counties knocked lumps out of each other and after a high quality game Cheshire finally won through. The Twickenham announcer described the scene as the Cheshire players climbed the steps to receive the trophy and with unbelievable patronising arrogance explained to the crowd and the players that these were the very steps that England International players and Premiership players climbed to receive their trophies. Wow! Imagine how excited that made 40 players (some of whom had previously played International rugby and one of them Chris Sheasby with distinction for England). The fool at Twickenham clearly thought that the County players were playing a different game and weren't real rugby players at all............ After such insulting commentary I went exploring Twickenham with a friend (who was a Middlesex supporter) to make our displeasure known to someone. As we wandered through Twickenham's inner sanctums we came across a large and luxurious room overlooking the pitch. In there were many representatives from the Constituent Bodies being waited upon as they sat in their leather wing back chairs drinking at the RFU's pleasure whilst they took in the game. A lot became clear to me that day. 2. Attending a pre match lunch at Hudderfsield I sat next to a former RFU President. He was hospitable and entertaining and he disclosed to me that he was at Huddersfield to give them a wooden plaque for producing England player Luther Burrell. I was incredulous, was there no financial acknowledgement to help that fine club develop further. Nope just a wooden plaque............he was embarrassed and clearly very unhappy with what was going on at the RFU. He pretty much agreed with everythings I said. 3. The nail in the coffin. The hugely well remunerated Ian Ritchie (circa £750k a year for being CEO of a monopoly business!) strikes a shocking financial deal with Premiership Rugby which pretty much bankrupts the RFU and then he leaves to become.............the Chairman of Premiership Rugby! I hope that is enough of an explanation for you Touchline Expert
Edited by Big Eddie - 06 Mar 2020 at 16:19 |
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French Connection
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It's almost like a government minister being involved in awarding huge contracts to a company - let's say in the area of defence - and then upon stepping down from parliament taking up a ridiculously well paid 'directorship' at exactly the same defence contractor. Now that's never happened before has it. As I've said previously with the example that's currently being set from the top it's no wonder that things are as they are at Twickers.
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Clive Norling
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Camp Freddie
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The last CEO who was the FD before he was promoted resigned quite quickly and then we found out we were in a bit of a pickle. Not many questions asked were there ................? |
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The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.
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Clive Norling
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No, because the people who gave him the FD job and then promoted him are still at the company, then serious questions would be asked of them! |
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BeeBumble
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He doesn't look - either literally or figuratively - like a "yes" man to me, but he is still an appointee and you have to wonder why he was taken on if he was likely to challenge whoever appointed him. I'll be interested to hear what he has to say both at Caldy and more generally and, most importantly, get some idea of how he listens and what he understands of the 10 or so playing levels in the hierarchy which have become collectively identified completely wrongly as the "grass roots" 😢 Personally, I'd love to get him and his colleagues to accept that the present organisational tree is the wrong way up and it is the RFU and constituent bodies themselves which should be providing the support associated with a tree's roots with the present "lower levels" being recognised and valued for what they really are - the branches and twigs at which all new growth starts 😎
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Me? I'm just buzzin' around!
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Old Hooker
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Absolute power Lovelys absolutley
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another one against the head
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Old Hooker
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should read "Lovelys" not sure what happened there, bit like the RFU
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another one against the head
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Old Hooker
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weird will not let me type what I want, I guess you know the saying
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another one against the head
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touchlineexpert
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youve got yourself annoyed by a stadium announcer... you can do better than that!And then a group having a meal with some wine..grow up!
What would be best to give a club that produce an england player? From my own club the exposure of our first international has been mad, during the rwc we averaged 8 new players at training each week!! Youre third point i will give you, thats a shocker and questions need to be answered. congrats to caldy on their promotion, hope they get the support you think they are merited next year.. |
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Big Eddie
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''The future isn't what it used to be''
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L33
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A thoughts on the below
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Camquin
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L33 while I tend to agree with you on most points. On travel, while no other sport does this, Rugby is in a unique situation. We are a minority sport, so there is significant travel (especially in the women's and girls' game). But we have the income stream from the internationals that EnglandHockey or BBA would give an arm and a leg for. So we could significantly subsidise travel for all organised matches. Which would reduce one of the complaints we have at mid levels. That does nto mean we should not look at the league structure to reduce travel.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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Big Eddie
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L33 makes some relevant points but my issue with the RFU is about what I see as a huge misalignment between the RFU's direction of travel since professionalism and its constitutional responsibilites.
Company's are governement by their Memorandum and Articles of Association. In law their primary responsibilities are to their shareholders, employees and creditors. Depending on circumstances how management discharge their responsibilities betwwen theses three groups can change. When a Company is in financial difficulties the interests of Creditors and Employees should have primacy over the interests of Shareholders. If at such times Company Directors put the interests of Shareholders above the interests of Creditors they risk becoming personally liable if the Company tips into insolvency. When shareholders all hold the same class of shares their interests are (or should be the same). The Company's management cannot favour one Ordinary shareholder over another. They all have to be treated equally. I would be interested to know how and why the RFU feel it is appropriate and acceptable to treat the Premiership clubs differently to the rest of the rugby clubs in England. Is there something in the RFU's constitution that requires or allows this to happen?
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Clive Norling
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Update on what an England player receives if picked in the match day 23 for a Test match ......... £25k and they get that whether they play 80 minutes or 8 seconds ....
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Bigmal
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.....or get yellow carded shortly after coming on!
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