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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

i hope not, but the choice may come down to touch (formerly known as touch rugby), or some other lower-contact version of rugby, or NOTHING.

some people might prefer to do something rather than nothing in order to alleviate boredom, keep up fitness, maintain some core skills (eg handling/positional awareness/running lines) and for the social benefits (beer and banter after the game). i very much doubt that this would be a spectator sport - even if clubs had the nerve to market tickets, few would buy them!<div id="ypm-extension" ="ypm-extension">


Presumably No beer after game until Pubs re-open?
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

i hope not, but the choice may come down to touch (formerly known as touch rugby), or some other lower-contact version of rugby, or NOTHING.

some people might prefer to do something rather than nothing in order to alleviate boredom, keep up fitness, maintain some core skills (eg handling/positional awareness/running lines) and for the social benefits (beer and banter after the game). i very much doubt that this would be a spectator sport - even if clubs had the nerve to market tickets, few would buy them!<div id="ypm-extension" ="ypm-extension">


Presumably No beer after game until Pubs re-open?

almost certainly not... i guess this possibility is based on the assumption that drinking in pubs (& sports club bars) - or outside them - with some element of distancing, may be permitted sooner than people being allowed to grapple with each other in a full contact game of rugby.

please don't think i'm trying to dress this up as good news; it's rather depressing, but on reflection about whether it was better than nothing, many people might say that it was
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Westcoaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 May 2020 at 14:31
It isn't that the "news" itself is depressing Islander, its more the fact that it gets into the papers in the first place, and is then quoted as if it were fact. So much of what is out there at the moment is speculation and possibility. The reality is that we have little prospect of a proper resumption of rugby for many weeks. I've stopped watching the nightly news as so much of it is just blather with "our correspondent'. This isn't news - its a journalist's views, aired on a news platform.
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Originally posted by Westcoaster Westcoaster wrote:

It isn't that the "news" itself is depressing Islander, its more the fact that it gets into the papers in the first place, and is then quoted as if it were fact. So much of what is out there at the moment is speculation and possibility. The reality is that we have little prospect of a proper resumption of rugby for many weeks. I've stopped watching the nightly news as so much of it is just blather with "our correspondent'. This isn't news - its a journalist's views, aired on a news platform.

Indeed Westcoaster. As it has been said opinions are like ar$eholes in that everyone has got one. Another similarity with coronavirus is that so many people seem to be talking out of them.   
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Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Rugby League then?

We're not THAT desperate!!!
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Originally posted by Westcoaster Westcoaster wrote:

I'm with you Thatbloke. Play proper full contact rugby when we can or no rugby.
yes its frustrating for all concerned but national health is more important and the integrity of rugby as we know it.
As a local season ticket holder, I wouldn't go and watch my team playing any sort of non contact or touch rugby - waste of time


When I first saw the article, I immediately checked the date to see if it was April 1st.

It has resurfaced in the papers again this weekend, so I am now assuming the idiots are RFU are actually serious!

WTF - New Zealand and Australia are talking about a resumption of Super Rugby within a month, albeit without international travel, Ireland has set out a road map with expectation of Pro-14 Rugby restarting in August.

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I see no reason why Tri Nations could not start again, 300 deaths in  AUS,NZ and SA, so with thorough screening of teams games could safely be played behind closed doors.

As for UK . .. August maybe for Prem, Champ January and hopefully all other leagues too.

But normality will not resume until a cure/vaccine is found.
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Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

I see no reason why Tri Nations could not start again, 300 deaths in  AUS,NZ and SA, so with thorough screening of teams games could safely be played behind closed doors.

As for UK . .. August maybe for Prem, Champ January and hopefully all other leagues too.

But normality will not resume until a cure/vaccine is found.


Apart from Travel Restrictions the competition has 4 nations - you seem to have ignored/forgotten Argentina
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Westcoaster Westcoaster wrote:

I'm with you Thatbloke. Play proper full contact rugby when we can or no rugby.
yes its frustrating for all concerned but national health is more important and the integrity of rugby as we know it.
As a local season ticket holder, I wouldn't go and watch my team playing any sort of non contact or touch rugby - waste of time


When I first saw the article, I immediately checked the date to see if it was April 1st.

It has resurfaced in the papers again this weekend, so I am now assuming the idiots are RFU are actually serious!

WTF - New Zealand and Australia are talking about a resumption of Super Rugby within a month, albeit without international travel, Ireland has set out a road map with expectation of Pro-14 Rugby restarting in August.


There are some very entrenched 'over my dead body' views on this. I fully appreciate it isn't an appetising prospect, but the reason it resurfaced in the papers is that some people have cottoned on to the seriousness of the situation, such as Ian McGeechan in yesterday's Telegraph - see below. To be clear, this seems to be a suggestion for the grass-roots of the game where the alternative is NOTHING, with the gates and clubhouse doors of community clubs just staying locked for an extended period - 9 to 10 months is being talked about, stretching to 1 Jan, and there are some forecasts that are even more pessimistic than that...

Reports that the RFU is looking into making the amateur game ‘contact-free’ next season were bound to produce a reaction. Rugby without scrummaging, tackling and mauling? You cannot be serious, as John McEnroe might have said. 

The truth is, though, this is serious. Very serious. Faced with the prospect of ‘contact-free rugby’ (or more accurately a 'no-contact game’) or no games at all, I would go for the ‘hybrid’ option every time.

If there is no rugby at all, if there is nothing to watch, no socialising, no incentive for players to train, a club’s whole raison d’être is taken away. We could see countless grassroots clubs lost post-lockdown. Who knows how long it will be until social distancing is lifted? 

We have to remember, 99 per cent of all rugby is amateur, run by volunteers and financially supported by members and local business.

So could there be a 'hybrid' solution to allow clubs to have a meaningful opportunity to open? I think so. It is far from ideal, and yes, it is not rugby as such. But it could be a key life-line for clubs whilst we transition from lockdown over the next season and beyond.

Coaches are always devising different skills activities, and you can have a lot of fun playing these sorts of games. Whilst at Northampton and Wasps we played a rugby-soccer hybrid (akin to Gaelic football) which I called Fugby. It was great for core skills - for kicking, passing and handling/catching - and ferociously competitive. Saturday mornings, after the first team's 'Captain's Run' at Wasps, the remainder of the squad would play it. The players would always ask for it. No, it wasn't rugby, but the players left training with a smile on their faces.

Why not have such games to transition back into playing and encourage some hybrid competitions regionally with minimum expense? 
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Is the suggestion that this should actually be played competitvely? Get real - impossible! If that's the best on offer for the next 3,6,9 months or whatever then I for one would rather go for a walk with a stone in my shoe - anyone want to join me? 
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Is the suggestion that this should actually be played competitvely? Get real - impossible! If that's the best on offer for the next 3,6,9 months or whatever then I for one would rather go for a walk with a stone in my shoe - anyone want to join me? 

I would see it more as something than enables players to play and socialise, and clubs to open... and there'd be great news for those who didn't fancy it, as there no suggestion anyone would be forced to take part. Enjoy your (long) walk!
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Players will probably need to be paid. Furloghing will not continue indefinitely, so clubs will need to have some form of income, otherwise they will not be able to pay their staff...stands to reason.
The RFU will not be paying anything if there is no league season of note and sponsors will not be willing to sponsor clubs if they are not getting the exposure that the sponsorship fees warrant. What about the social aspect, will the clubs be open to the members? will they be able to watch the 'non contact' game?
I don't expect any answers to these questions, but they way it has been voiced by McG then it is nothing more than a training session and it comes back to my first point, how will the players be paid?
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Players will probably need to be paid. Furloghing will not continue indefinitely, so clubs will need to have some form of income, otherwise they will not be able to pay their staff...stands to reason.
The RFU will not be paying anything if there is no league season of note and sponsors will not be willing to sponsor clubs if they are not getting the exposure that the sponsorship fees warrant. What about the social aspect, will the clubs be open to the members? will they be able to watch the 'non contact' game?
I don't expect any answers to these questions, but they way it has been voiced by McG then it is nothing more than a training session and it comes back to my first point, how will the players be paid?

From the deep pockets of some of those benefactors who have supported their clubs for many years. The problem will be who do they play because if the RFU pull funding totally which is highly likely and sponsors pull out I can see at least a quarter of the Championship clubs deciding to pull out and am not sure many Nat 1 clubs would volunteer to move up
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Players will probably need to be paid. Furloghing will not continue indefinitely, so clubs will need to have some form of income, otherwise they will not be able to pay their staff...stands to reason.
The RFU will not be paying anything if there is no league season of note and sponsors will not be willing to sponsor clubs if they are not getting the exposure that the sponsorship fees warrant. What about the social aspect, will the clubs be open to the members? will they be able to watch the 'non contact' game?
I don't expect any answers to these questions, but they way it has been voiced by McG then it is nothing more than a training session and it comes back to my first point, how will the players be paid?

More of a grass-roots concept I think Brizzer... (which probably means it's being discussed in the wrong thread, I admit). I guess club members could come and watch sessions/matches and enjoy a beer* 

*talk about pubs possibly opening in July in UK, while a few in Jersey reopened today for outdoor dining only
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As a pub and restaurant operator I would be very surprised if the go ahead is given to reopen as early as July. Even when reopening is permitted, we could be faced with customers staying six feet apart, not sitting/standing near the bar and having to collect their beer from a socially distanced table rather than be handed it over the bar.
None of this is conducive to the clubhouse environment unfortunately .
In other news, the RFU is talking about packing in a 2020 Six Nations match, four Twickenham internationals and a tour to Japan in two months.🤯
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Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

As a pub and restaurant operator I would be very surprised if the go ahead is given to reopen as early as July. Even when reopening is permitted, we could be faced with customers staying six feet apart, not sitting/standing near the bar and having to collect their beer from a socially distanced table rather than be handed it over the bar.
None of this is conducive to the clubhouse environment unfortunately .
In other news, the RFU is talking about packing in a 2020 Six Nations match, four Twickenham internationals and a tour to Japan in two months.🤯


Without a lot of their players who are unlikely to be released by their clubs outside of the normal 4 week international period.

Clouds silver lining for RFU - as Saracens are relegated most of their players will be available as the release agreement is with Premiership.
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Premiership: Two more weeks needed before safe to return to training https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/52759907

This is getting silly! They will try to resume when the next season is pretty much starting.
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Interesting interview with Lord Jeffrey Archer on TalkSport, summarised at the end by saying both cricket and rugby will really have to reevaluate their sports as neither are cash rich compared to football below the top level.
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This is all about the greed of the premiership clubs and nothing to do with player welfare or what is best for the wider game.
If the premiership starts in August it could go on until October, November is being lined up as the international window so the new premiership season for 2020-21 will get under way in December and run until June.
If the championship resumes in September will we have the scenario that Saracens will be asked to play in both leagues? There is also the need to complete this seasons European Champions Cup and Saracens are one of the Quarter finalists.
I can't see Saracens agreeing to that sort of workload and in all honesty it shouldn't be allowed to happen.
The RFU for once need to show some leadership and finish this season now.
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Totally agree. Daily Express today Leinster v Saracens  September12 th in Dublin (provisionaly) What could possibly go wrong 🥴
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