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WEvans
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Posted: 17 Sep 2021 at 15:16 |
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That said then why on earth would you suggest I wanted to wait until January to start the season? Raider 999 has the answer to the current problem in his post above yours which supports my original view.
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Camquin
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If the Championship wants 14 or 16 teams, it should do it at the end of this season. Get all of the reorg done in one hit. It is not as if there are not enough good teams in Nat 1 ready to join Richmond, Ampthill, Coventry, Hartpury, Ealing, Doncaster, Jersey and Scottish - all of whom have won promotion since the creation of the championship. Pirates and Nottingham were promoted in the 2000s in the National 1 era. Only Bedford have been at level 2 since before 2000 - 1994.
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Thatbloke
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Problem is the more Level 2 clubs push for automatic promotion to/and relegation from the Prem the more you push the top clubs to forcing through a closed shop. Not ideal but at least the suggested play off scenario keeps the door open for both promotion for top placed Championship club to go up but gives the Prem club one last chance to retain their status. Not perfect obviously but such a compromise is probably the best you're going to get
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Kimbo
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Exactly. Ridiculous notion.
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castleparknight
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Sensible
However why should the winner of a league have to play off against the loser of the league above? That is just another attempt at protectionism
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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knightandday
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Far to sensible
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Winning isn't everything, it just makes the beer taste better
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marigold
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No reason to delay the restructure. The Championship clubs will never agree due to different agendas so the RFU has to lead and tell them what will happen. Besides Ealing no one in the Championship can even think of affording to play in the Premiership-and they will be there at the end of this season. That leaves 10 clubs in the Championship. All the Championship clubs agree the Cup competition is a waste of time and effort. There is no relegation from the Championship this season so bring 2 clubs up from National One to make next season a 22 match league competition-no cup competition. Do the same the following season, no relegation and bring another two clubs up from Nat One to make a 14 team, 26 match league season. RFU then simply has to find the money for the 4 new clubs, but with the amount given to each club cut from £560k to £150k and with international matches back and no doubt a ticket price hike this should be very doable. After that, the top team of Nat One get promoted, bottom team of Championship has play off against second placed team in Nat One. Premiership clubs then have 14 options in Championship to place their academy players instead of 10 as it is now. If a club at top of Championship some time in the future (cannot see it happening) ticks all the boxes for entry into Premiership they have a 2 match play off against the bottom Prem team that season. Sorted
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I can see very clearly the logic of delaying the restructure. I don't think the seasons are a farce. At Level 4 we know there is no relegation this season, we just aren't sure whether 2, 3, or 4 sides will be promoted. National League Rugby got itself largely sorted, the problem lies with the Championship who seem blind to the others below them. The RFU just wants it all sorted!
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Raider999
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As the championship clubs cannot agree, they should be told that the bottom club will be relegated and replaced by the champions of N1 - leaving them with 11 clubs until they can make a decision - then the reshuffle will be made at the END OF THE FOLLOWING SEASON. If they don't like it - Tough! |
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WEvans
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Can you seriously not see the alternative to starting the season in January is to postpone the restructure by a season to make it fair to the clubs? The Championship clubs might well be at fault but why should the RFU use this as an excuse to make the seasons of all clubs below this league a farce?
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Greg
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[QUOTE=kempstonblue]As I recall the Championship is an RFU competition (isn’t it referred to as RFU Championship). Which was sold to clubs at the time as a new, professional restart to the league.
Even if the clubs wanted to exercise full control, would the powers in charge cut them off from the league? The RFU Championship was restructured in 2009, when it took the name ‘Championship’, after previously being called ‘National Division One’, and reduced the number of teams in the competition from 16 to 12.
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Halliford
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So you'd rather wait until January before playing? If the Championship Clubs had made some effort among themselves during the pandemic and last season's matches to agree a structure then we'd all be much better off. It's the fault of the Clubs that they can't agree among themselves as to what they want to do, the RFU held back letting the kids sort their own mess but as they haven't they have had to step in and sort it out for them. The blame lies firmly with the Clubs!
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Kimbo
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Don't apologise.
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WEvans
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That doesn't explain why the RFU are letting this season start with some teams having no idea what they are playing for. Sorry but they are a shambles.
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Thatbloke
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I thought us clubs have always had to stump up for tickets before they've been sold to club members
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workerbee
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The RFU have already started their recovery programme by taking payment up front for international tickets from clubs even if they have not sold them , making it the responsibility of clubs to send them back and claim refunds. Liability for selling becomes the responsibility of the clubs, In the meantime their cash flow takes a hit not the RFU.
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Fly Half
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Hi TB,no problem but I do knowwhat I'm talking about. If Leigh have a game against Huddersfield cancelled, the RFL dont require them to play say Wigan or Saints in an additional game to 'make up' the fixtures. If a previous,arranged fixture v Wigan had previously been cancelled and Wigan had a free weekend,then yes,Leigh may play Wigan but not as an additional fixture. i.e. it's not a case of Leigh having to play Wigan six times,whilst say Huddersfield play Cas six times. Thanks but I do know my facts. p.s. dont worry,we can all criticise the RFL,RFU etc. You should see the totalrl site ! |
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Kimbo
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Quite. The constant harping about Champ clubs failing to 'take control' is beyond belief. The RFU as a ruling body (which is what it is) is completely unfit for purpose and is desperately overdue a root and branch restructuring.
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Thatbloke
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Fly half check your facts!
When there is a Covid cancellation random games are arranged hastily to keep income streams going against any other team that is Covid free, its not a case of everyone plays everybody else twice. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Leigh shouldn't be relegated just that it is a skewed season In a y case my initial post was in criticism of RFU dithering rather than any argument about RL
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Fly Half
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I'm sorry but that is total garbage. Leigh have played 20 games,with the others playing between 18 and 23. So Leigh have played an average number of games and won just one,giving them 5%. They dont play extra games against better teams! Leigh will be relegated and replaced by the winners of the playoff,which is likely to be Toulouse or possibly Featherstone. |
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