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Raider999
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I would totally agree, it isn't unusual for clubs to have 10 or more out injured at some stage in the season. I would think a team needs 30-35 players capable of level 3/4 for a successful season. |
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SurreyRugby
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In my experience. Rarely do first team squad players at national league level actually play for the 2nd team. Keep 2nd teams in merit leagues. If admitted they will muck up the current system.
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Jasper99
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Clifton beat Taunton 2s pre-season. Taunton 2s put 30 on the Navy, were competitive v Hartbury Uni side, plus would match a lot of level 5 sides.
Clifton have lost 3 games at level 9!! Level 3 and 4 rugby is clearly very attritional on squad players.
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dropout22
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Richmond 4th XV beat the Old Alleynians 1st XV (Level 7) 44-10 back in september so you'd be correct.
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Mark W-J
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OK, it's just an example. I thought the whole point was putting 2nd XVs into county leagues, which is L8. But the principle remains the same.
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Raider999
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I would have thought level 7/8 was too low for a number of 2nd teams (and some 3rd teams - Richmond?) |
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Mark W-J
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My understanding is that lower league clubs fear that players would rather be part of the set-up at a higher-level club, playing mainly 2nd XV rugby but training with the 1st team squad and with a possibility (however small) of playing national league rugby, than registered with a level 7/8 club. It might not apply in all areas of the country, but in Middlesex & Surrey - where there are a lot of clubs playing at level 3-6 - it's a worry for the lower clubs who are already struggling to put out a competitive team.
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MikeGC
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No idea what the situation is going to be like in the area you are discussing but after a quick look the proposal for Premier North appears to be OK-ish
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Jasper99
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TBH I don't give a pheasant for Dorking and any financial illusions. I am however very interested in 2nd team rugby and why a club would not want to allow those teams into the league structure. NIMBYism or a genuine arguable reason?
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FEZ ANT PLUCKER
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Pretty much as I understood the situation. Henry Birch came to us first and as an RFU regional coach he joined us as Forwards coach replacing Matt Higgins as someone has already mentioned. I just didnt know his reason for leaving Worthing, however he may have influenced Anscombe and Spurgeon as they followed soon after. Maybe they had separate unconnected reasons for the move.
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dropout22
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So i understood Henry Birch didnt get on with Jordan Turner Hall. This was told to me by a Dorking player.
Speaking to Worthing players - I understood Henry Anscombe was in and out of the squad (i didnt check up on this with stats) - thus he wasn't content at Worthing and such moved to Dorking. I have no idea for the last player? Henry birch is player/forwards coach at the club now. After hearing a club at Level 6 pay their head coach £15k a year - i'm sure his role at the club isn't without good remuneration. Dorking has a fabulous location, good home support and a stable business set/up. Not to mention first class s&c and physio support. This is not too say Worthing don't, but Dorking does have a very good club set/up for the level that i'm sure attracts players.
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FEZ ANT PLUCKER
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Dropout22. Can you enlarge on your comment as to why said players left Worthing to move to Dorking? Raider has no idea and nor do I.
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Raider999
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I have no idea if your assumption as to why the 3 named players left Worthing for Dorking (although in Spurgeon's case he played a couple of games having retired through injury several years ago). As I understand it When a Premiership side makes Academy players available they need to play - this may be every week or only irregularity but when available the Premiership side expects them to be picked. (please note - this is not an official response just my personal understanding) |
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HAVANT TONY
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An absolute ton of waffling gone on without the real question being answered I reckon😴
Edited by HAVANT TONY - 14 Mar 2022 at 18:23 |
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SurreyRugby
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Raider. We all see beauty in different places. There will those that think Elle MacPherson is plain and ugly. Others will see Boris Johnson as a sex symbol. Each to their own Raider. all the best....great banter - SR
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FEZ ANT PLUCKER
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Raider. Is there any truth in the rumour that Messrs Birch, Anscombe, and Spurgeon left Worthing because your DOR upset them and brought in young players from Harlequins Academy whom he favoured. I dont know so I am just asking, but the grapevine of rugby gossip continues to thrive. I am just trying to understand why they left Worthing a L4 club to join Dorking who aspire to be a L4 club again.
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PM009
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100odd mile round trip 3 x a week for zero material benefit, must be some gym!!!
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FEZ ANT PLUCKER
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Well said Surrey Rugby. And in our 2nd season at L4 when we were relegated (3rd from bottom) there were other mitigating circumstances. We had a few that moved on as you say, but also had several retire including our excellent now DOR Armand Roux. Additionally the 'eyes' at L4 had watched their videos and were more prepared after our storming 1st season. We also suffered from lots of longish term injuries and fell short in our strength in depth. Not complaining but we are in a much better place now under Armands 'One Club' ethos with a very strong 2nd team knocking on the door and the gap in comparative quality between 1,s and 2,s has narrowed considerably IMO. With the benefit of our club development including a 'Super state of art Gym' with a progressive strength and conditioning regime open to allcomers, it is no surprise to me that DRFC are ready to take up the challenge of L4 rugby again (God willing). In our Centenary Year it would be the most appropriate timing. Hardly surprising we are attracting quality ambitious players from all areas.
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Raider999
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Dorking have better playing facilities than Worthing - are you serious? |
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SurreyRugby
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As dorking have a better fly half playing at centre, the offer of better playing facilities, coaching and teamwork probably swayed him. He is good, but not as good matt noble.
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