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    Posted: 05 Apr 2022 at 09:13
Makes sense.  
If 10 teams are required for the new structure above...
The top two in each of the 4 x Premier Leagues plus the 2 x Best 3rd placed teams across the same 4 Premier Leagues go up...
I think LSE Prem is in a very good place to 'take 3 teams up'. 
There are various quotes/confirmation on the shape of the new level 2 across other threads on this forum (particularly Nat 2 threads).

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Originally posted by Kentish Man Kentish Man wrote:

When did they confirm that best two 3rd places teams would be promoted ? I thought they reserved the right to pick last to on geography if need be and only top 2 in each league are confirmed as being promoted.


If it's picked by the RFU old boys club on geography, that's North Walsham and Blackburn out of the running then......


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Blimey. If the rfu boys pick who they like to go up, we will definitely go into farce.
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Originally posted by Kentish Man Kentish Man wrote:

When did they confirm that best two 3rd places teams would be promoted ? I thought they reserved the right to pick last to on geography if need be and only top 2 in each league are confirmed as being promoted.



Absolutely no idea, however not to do so opens up all sorts of legal issues.

Not sure the RFU know themselves (or even if they are the right body to decide)
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When did they confirm that best two 3rd places teams would be promoted ? I thought they reserved the right to pick last to on geography if need be and only top 2 in each league are confirmed as being promoted.

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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Correct Surrey Rugby that's the way it's looking - as regards who goes where a lot might depend on where the RFU (Or NCA?) place Guernsey SW or SE


Depends if they treat their home ground geographically or at Gatwick. I'd assume common sense would say SE because I am sure Guernsey themselves would fight tooth and nail to avoid the SW.


For the purposes of mileage Guernsey are treated as being based at Gatwick Airport.

However this is in a North/South level 4 split.

With the advent of SW and SE as 2 of the 3 level 4 divisions, I see no reason why Guernsey could not be treated as being based at Exeter or Bristol airports rather than Gatwick.

My reasoning for this - they are not geographically in the SE (or SW) so should be moved to whichever of the 2 logically has less teams.

Again, depends if Aurigny have flights at the right times. I know they have the proper jet (not those twin props) working the Gatwick route so there will certainly be more flights from Gatwick. I think it's probably just easier if the RFU stick to the current arrangements. 
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Correct Surrey Rugby that's the way it's looking - as regards who goes where a lot might depend on where the RFU (Or NCA?) place Guernsey SW or SE


Depends if they treat their home ground geographically or at Gatwick. I'd assume common sense would say SE because I am sure Guernsey themselves would fight tooth and nail to avoid the SW.


For the purposes of mileage Guernsey are treated as being based at Gatwick Airport.

However this is in a North/South level 4 split.

With the advent of SW and SE as 2 of the 3 level 4 divisions, I see no reason why Guernsey could not be treated as being based at Exeter or Bristol airports rather than Gatwick.

My reasoning for this - they are not geographically in the SE (or SW) so should be moved to whichever of the 2 logically has less teams.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Apr 2022 at 19:58
Why would that be Robb? Easy in and out from Bristol or Southampton I would have thought
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Correct Surrey Rugby that's the way it's looking - as regards who goes where a lot might depend on where the RFU (Or NCA?) place Guernsey SW or SE

Depends if they treat their home ground geographically or at Gatwick. I'd assume common sense would say SE because I am sure Guernsey themselves would fight tooth and nail to avoid the SW.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Apr 2022 at 19:36
Correct Surrey Rugby that's the way it's looking - as regards who goes where a lot might depend on where the RFU (Or NCA?) place Guernsey SW or SE
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If 10 go up. Then 3 from SE. 3 from SW. 2 from midlands and 2 from the North. In the SE. As long as they win probably 2 remaining games. Both Dorking and NW will go up. Dorking can even do 3rd place with one 5 point win. And still go up.
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If my maths are correct the following clubs are guaranteed promotion from Level 5
Midlands Prem - Newport(Salop), Sheffield
North Prem - Otley, Preston Grasshoppers
South East Prem - Sevenoaks
South West Prem - Exeter Uni, Old Reds(Bristol)
So 3 more places still up for grabs, maybe 4 dependant on you know what
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Just my opinion can't see them losing now 

Not my clubs promotion far from it LOLLOLLOL 


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Erm...... let's get the maths right. Yes they have been promoted but at this stage only on the basis that they have already attained enough points to secure at least one of the two best 3rd placed finishes (More than the potential 3rds in the Midlands and the North are able to achieve)
So yes many congratulations on your promotion but not champions, or indeed runners up....... Yet! 
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I think after this week's results we can safely says that Sevenoaks have achieved promotion as champions a "mighty" effort good luck in N2S  ClapClapClap
 


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It was not the cricket score we were expecting  yesterday at the lane. CS turned up and saved our last home game of the season, easily a thousand people packed the lane and CS gave a good account for themselves 
Was speaking to one of their supporters  and the RFU had told them they must be competitive and they were exactly that!
I hope their club secretary is ok as he was taken ill at the end of the game, he gave a great speech at the lunch, hope he has a speedy recovery


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Originally posted by BruceElliott BruceElliott wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Originally posted by HAVANT TONY HAVANT TONY wrote:

It seems that CS Stags should be now really called

CS plus Ealing Trailfinders Academy Players  Stags

WTF is going on there ????


From what i can see is 2 ealing academy players in the line up - and have played a number of games for Stags this season. 

None of the 6 u20 6 Nations players are in the lineup. 

It should be fair to mention, 2 of those said players played a Richmond Vikings side that beat Brunel 42-8 (The saxons beat them 48-0) in a league that is classified as being equivalent to Level 5. So whilst they may be deemed of a higher level amongst their age group, this does not mean the players are too good for level 5 rugby yet. 



I thought you could only loan players 2 leagues away from the mother club 

So that would be at Nat 2 level not Regional Prem league 
Unless the RFU have stepped in to help Stags get a side out 


I think it may depend on the age of the DR/Loan player - certainly First year Premiership Academy players are allowed to play in Nat2 which is 3 levels away from the mother club.



A quick search turns up, "Loan Players
14.6.5 An application for registration of a Loan Player will not be accepted where: (a) in
respect of Clubs at Level 2 (Championship) and below, the applicant Club is more than
two Levels below the level of the loaning/parent Club; and (b) in respect of Clubs at
Level 1 (Premiership) the applicant Club is more than one Level below the level of the
loaning/parent Club. This does not apply to Loan Players who are being be loaned to a
Club in the Levels above the loaning/parent Club, subject to Regulation 14.3.5."

That's in respect of adult male players. I can't, on a quick search, find anything about Academy players and loans.

Restrictions on numbers of loan players, "13.4.4 Loan and England Academy Players
A Club may not play or select as a replacement or substitute in a Match more than the number
of Players set out below:...

(d) Level 4 and below: four players from another Club of which no more than three
shall be Loan Players and the others (up to the maximum of four) must be
England Academy Players under the age of 24 as at 1 September 2021. After the
Transfer Deadline, only those England Academy Players who have already played
or been selected as a replacement or substitute in a League or Cup Match for the Club’s first XV prior to the Transfer Deadline will be permitted to be selected in
a League or Cup Match for the Club’s first XV, unless otherwise approved by the
RFU Head of Academies."




I note your explanation makes no mention of DR players - presumably there is a slight difference.

'England Academy players who haven't played for a club before transfer deadline day can only join if approved by RFU Head of Academies' - this loophole has already been used by a team at level 4.


At the end of the day, it is never good to see a club go under, so the fact CS are still playing must be for the greater good.

Hopefully they will be able to sort themselves out for next season.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BruceElliott Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 2022 at 23:43
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Originally posted by HAVANT TONY HAVANT TONY wrote:

It seems that CS Stags should be now really called

CS plus Ealing Trailfinders Academy Players  Stags

WTF is going on there ????


From what i can see is 2 ealing academy players in the line up - and have played a number of games for Stags this season. 

None of the 6 u20 6 Nations players are in the lineup. 

It should be fair to mention, 2 of those said players played a Richmond Vikings side that beat Brunel 42-8 (The saxons beat them 48-0) in a league that is classified as being equivalent to Level 5. So whilst they may be deemed of a higher level amongst their age group, this does not mean the players are too good for level 5 rugby yet. 



I thought you could only loan players 2 leagues away from the mother club 

So that would be at Nat 2 level not Regional Prem league 
Unless the RFU have stepped in to help Stags get a side out 


I think it may depend on the age of the DR/Loan player - certainly First year Premiership Academy players are allowed to play in Nat2 which is 3 levels away from the mother club.


A quick search turns up, "Loan Players 14.6.5 An application for registration of a Loan Player will not be accepted where: (a) in respect of Clubs at Level 2 (Championship) and below, the applicant Club is more than two Levels below the level of the loaning/parent Club; and (b) in respect of Clubs at Level 1 (Premiership) the applicant Club is more than one Level below the level of the loaning/parent Club. This does not apply to Loan Players who are being be loaned to a Club in the Levels above the loaning/parent Club, subject to Regulation 14.3.5."

That's in respect of adult male players. I can't, on a quick search, find anything about Academy players and loans.

Restrictions on numbers of loan players, "13.4.4 Loan and England Academy Players A Club may not play or select as a replacement or substitute in a Match more than the number of Players set out below:...

(d) Level 4 and below: four players from another Club of which no more than three shall be Loan Players and the others (up to the maximum of four) must be England Academy Players under the age of 24 as at 1 September 2021. After the Transfer Deadline, only those England Academy Players who have already played or been selected as a replacement or substitute in a League or Cup Match for the Club’s first XV prior to the Transfer Deadline will be permitted to be selected in a League or Cup Match for the Club’s first XV, unless otherwise approved by the RFU Head of Academies."


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Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Originally posted by HAVANT TONY HAVANT TONY wrote:

It seems that CS Stags should be now really called

CS plus Ealing Trailfinders Academy Players  Stags

WTF is going on there ????


From what i can see is 2 ealing academy players in the line up - and have played a number of games for Stags this season. 

None of the 6 u20 6 Nations players are in the lineup. 

It should be fair to mention, 2 of those said players played a Richmond Vikings side that beat Brunel 42-8 (The saxons beat them 48-0) in a league that is classified as being equivalent to Level 5. So whilst they may be deemed of a higher level amongst their age group, this does not mean the players are too good for level 5 rugby yet. 



I thought you could only loan players 2 leagues away from the mother club 

So that would be at Nat 2 level not Regional Prem league 
Unless the RFU have stepped in to help Stags get a side out 


I think it may depend on the age of the DR/Loan player - certainly First year Premiership Academy players are allowed to play in Nat2 which is 3 levels away from the mother club.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scrumtime Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Apr 2022 at 23:04
Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Originally posted by HAVANT TONY HAVANT TONY wrote:

It seems that CS Stags should be now really called

CS plus Ealing Trailfinders Academy Players  Stags

WTF is going on there ????

From what i can see is 2 ealing academy players in the line up - and have played a number of games for Stags this season. 

None of the 6 u20 6 Nations players are in the lineup. 

It should be fair to mention, 2 of those said players played a Richmond Vikings side that beat Brunel 42-8 (The saxons beat them 48-0) in a league that is classified as being equivalent to Level 5. So whilst they may be deemed of a higher level amongst their age group, this does not mean the players are too good for level 5 rugby yet. 

I thought you could only loan players 2 leagues away from the mother club 

So that would be at Nat 2 level not Regional Prem league 
Unless the RFU have stepped in to help Stags get a side out 
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