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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2022 at 20:06
Originally posted by SmilingD SmilingD wrote:

In leagues where lower teams are currently playing the issue is not so much player safety as teams being of unexpected strength due to not being a genuine 2nd, 3rd or whatever XV. The solution we have tried to use for this in Eastern Counties has been to ensure that lower XV fixtures are always scheduled on days when higher XVs also have games - the fixture matrices are set up to make that the case. But on days when there are exceptions to this - due to a fixture being postponed, the higher XVs opposition calling off or an odd number of teams in the league so a team being left without them, then we often find that what purports to be a 2nd XV is in fact made up largely of 1st XV players. This is unfair on both the opposition and the own clubs 2nd XV who might find themselves without a game or with limited game time. There is nothing that we are aware of being proposed in regulations to manage this within the RFU leagues. I await with interest the first time a club swaps their 1st XV and 2nd XV over in a pair of league matches to secure league position for the 2nds when the 1sts supposedly have 'nothing to play for'. Given that we see examples of teams bending the rules this way to gain an edge in a level 10 or 11 league, I think it's only a matter of time before it happens at Level 7.


The Sussex Cricket league has rules covering thiis - when the first team game is cancelled only 2 players who played in the previous 1st team game can play in the 2nd team. This filters its way down a club's playing teams. This works well but doesn't stop a first team being weakened to strengthen a 2nd team who might have an important game when both play.

Unfortunately, this is difficult to legislate against as who can say players being dropped are not on merit?

Also if 4 players are missing from the first team one week, the four players who get elevated from the second team for that week cannot be stopped from returning to the 2nd team the following week.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2022 at 20:04
SmilingD - sorry but this is absolute nonsense!
Most clubs, if not all, use their 2nd XV's for development of players, not to try and conquer the world
26 league Saturdays for the senior clubs 1st XV's with associated travelling and time commitments - do you really think clubs are going to swap players over to gain some sort of advantage over other 2nd XV's.
Semi-pro's will very gladly take any time off to refresh their bodies and/or spend time with their families
Relax - it ain't goin to happen!! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SmilingD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2022 at 14:18
In leagues where lower teams are currently playing the issue is not so much player safety as teams being of unexpected strength due to not being a genuine 2nd, 3rd or whatever XV. The solution we have tried to use for this in Eastern Counties has been to ensure that lower XV fixtures are always scheduled on days when higher XVs also have games - the fixture matrices are set up to make that the case. But on days when there are exceptions to this - due to a fixture being postponed, the higher XVs opposition calling off or an odd number of teams in the league so a team being left without them, then we often find that what purports to be a 2nd XV is in fact made up largely of 1st XV players. This is unfair on both the opposition and the own clubs 2nd XV who might find themselves without a game or with limited game time. There is nothing that we are aware of being proposed in regulations to manage this within the RFU leagues. I await with interest the first time a club swaps their 1st XV and 2nd XV over in a pair of league matches to secure league position for the 2nds when the 1sts supposedly have 'nothing to play for'. Given that we see examples of teams bending the rules this way to gain an edge in a level 10 or 11 league, I think it's only a matter of time before it happens at Level 7.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bluepig Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2022 at 11:19
 Hi Fulchester , yes this is fact , ourselves a level 4 Club  had to in the season gone where by our 2nd Xv Was placed at level 8 League , we had  to  register the players and the team sheet was apart of the GMS matchday system , we then also had to register  all 3rd Xv players to allow them to migrate  upwards into the 2nd Xv Team  if required on a saturday , no limits this time around  and although a ball ache in the beginning , it worked pretty well , theer were a few times we had a bit of rushing around  on a friday morning to register them , but i think all worked okay , i realise not all 2nd Xv Teams are currently playing or based within a  league etc , 

I can think of no instances where a mismatch occurred etc  in regards young players but perhaps we were lucky 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fulchester Rover Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2022 at 10:23
It would appear that the 'policing' of player movement within a single club running several league sides, is to be left to internal coaching decisions, with any issues being monitored by the RFU for review, under new proposals being considered by our governing body, unless of course I'm mistaken ?

Therefore, if for example you have a level 3 club who has a level 7 club also operating a league side, players could freely interchange between the two teams.
Now there are two issues here, if this is to be the case. 

Firstly, is this in the spirit of the game which is clearly struggling across the country to retain players ? Secondly, the implications for a miss-match and serious injury in-particularly for front row could have catastrophic consequences for inexperienced players !

For example, if let's say an 'ambitious' level 3 side with a significant squad has two full row front sides of contracted players weighing in at around 125kg a piece, they could effectively play for their club level six or level seven league side. 
What message does that send to a struggling opposition team, who can only field a young inexperienced tight head in his first senior game from Colts ? 
Who will be telling his' mum and dad which hospital he's gone to ? 

Can anyone shed any further light on if this scenario is likely to become a reality ?
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