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Kimbo
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I tend to agree.
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Camquin
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if Wasps did become insolvent, I think the Premiership would simply continue with 12 teams.
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Kimbo
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I can't see where Nick's suggesting that would be a good thing. He's just alluding to a highly unlikely possibility.
Based on the fact that Arena Coventry Ltd, and another of the Wasps group companies, IEC Experience Ltd, have now both been issued with Companies House 'Strike Off' orders, the scenario is one that definitely will be at the forefront of that club's mind while they attempt to re-finance and pay back the overdue bond to its investors.
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All the Way
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I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that, if you are suggesting the demise of a Premiership team could be a good thing for a Championship team.
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OldNick
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My memory of it is that well prior to the Ealing/Doncaster application debacle 22/23 had been called frozen between the Championship and Premiership, in both directions. I do not remember that ,being changed when neither team was accepted..
Of course if Wasps, or rather their parent companies, continue to have problems renewing their bond there could be a further gap in the Premiership, and at that point I suspect a team would be found to fit the (reduced) requirements.
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islander
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who called 22/23 a dead season ON, and when? I know there was originally going to be a moratorium on relegation, but that was lined up on basis that a 14th club would arrive in the Prem at end of 21/22, which as we know hasn't happened. That leaves a space as things stand, with potential scope for would-be Prem sides to improve their facilities to required level, as well as some noise from the Prem that the minimum standards might (appreciate there are few if any guarantees here) be lowered slightly...
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OldNick
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22/23 has already been call
ed a dead season for promotion, even if they had such grounds.
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Richard Lowther
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Let's discuss the elephant in the room.
Unless Championship clubs have a ground that meets the Premiership criteria next season, then 22/23 will be another dead rubber and that will not promote the league at all, never mind the clubs! So what are Ealing, Doncaster, Pirates etc doing to ensure they can't be blocked again? |
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Richard Lowther
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The RFU through the EQP scheme /payment are trying to tilt the balance in favour of English qualified players but who counts as overseas? Welsh, Irish, Scottish players? Employment law does not allow discrimination based on nationality and it opens up a can of worms. South Africans for example have the legal right to work based upon EU legislation currently enshrined in UK law. Until that right is restricted or removed then they are treated the same as a UK passport holder. One of the arguments in favour of ring fencing is that it would give clubs the opportunity to blood in youngsters as the clubs would be safe from relegation. It is a false argument as the clubs are rewarded financially based on their league placings and qualification to Europe, so they still feel under pressure to buy in "proven" players than use "unproven" youngsters. |
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Raider999
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Point taken re clubs not taking DRs forcing Premier clubs to go abroad - however if that was accompanied by a strict limit of say 4 per club of overseas players then Premiership clubs would be forced to develop young players and actually play them. |
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Richard Lowther
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Your last point confirms the point I was making. It is the Premiership clubs who need the player development, not the RFU. If the Premiership clubs don't get the players from their Academies or lower leagues, they will just go abroad for them - as we constantly see.
A 'ban' on DR would mean very little to the Premiership clubs - the players may suffer - but for the Premiership club it wouldn't matter a jot. |
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romford
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As long as the RFU control the Championship it will continue to wither on the vine.It's not a priority.
A return to a governing body controlled by the clubs(like the old FDR) is the only way for the League to progress.
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billesleyexile
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Lewis Bean - no one's academy, picked up by his regiment in the army having never played the game - two seasons at Moseley in his late 20s ->Northampton -> now Glasgow.
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keep the faith
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All the Way
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The BUCS Super Rugby is well promoted, I think the Championship and leagues beliw could take a look how they do it. The net result is lots of the games are attended by a raucous, partisan, beer-swilling crowd.
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Rabbie Burns
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Absolutely loads 373 and some even end up in the premiership this season Josh Peter’s for example Northampton Academy came to Blackheath went abroad during COVID came back to Doncaster now signed for Newcastle there will be many more
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So many Christians not enough Lions
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373
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Are there not examples of players leaving academies and ending up in Championship/Nat League clubs?
Player development isn’t just feeding the Prem clubs, it develops players across the board.
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front5
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Sorry Richard but by default if the premiership club need player development so do the RFU if there was a blanket refusal of DRs the RFU would act. Look at the current England squads please name a player that has not played in national leagues or championship as a DR
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gerg_861
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Yes, and all of that money ensures access to the best English players, who deliver high level results. Like in the last couple of Sux Nations (sic).
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Richard Lowther
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Surely you have worked out by now that the RFU don't need any player development from outside of the Premiership clubs or Academies? The only clubs that require player development is the Premiership clubs and the RFU fund them a ludicrous amount of money and provisions of Academy rugby in order to have access to roughly 50 players per season to play in Internationals. |
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gerg_861
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I actually think that the Championship Club's Podcast is a great step in promoting the Championship at a relatively low cost. I'd hope that the league members could scrape together enough money to ensure that it was weekly.
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