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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Dec 2022 at 12:01
Having watched the game and the Kick to touch I cannot say I blame the decision. They were just outside their own 22 yard area - the potential of making it all the way up the pitch was narrow (at best) so I would say the call was sensible, yes the drama would have been great to watch but what would people be saying now if they had gone on to lose the ball in open play and then lost to a penalty goal or try? If we had been in their half and gone for goal or a line out I would have questioned their decision not to do so but that was not the case. Maybe that is the pessimism in me, but a draw was a good decision IMHO on that occasion.

However all other opinions expressed about the need for change etc. are valid as far as I am concerned.
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Gatland returns to Wales, so that's one option ruled out.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Dec 2022 at 18:55
[QUOTE=castleparknight]Having watched the game and the Kick to touch I cannot say I blame the decision. They were just outside their own 22 yard area - the potential of making it all the way up the pitch was narrow (at best) so I would say the call was sensible, yes the drama would have been great to watch but what would people be saying now if they had gone on to lose the ball in open play and then lost to a penalty goal or try? If we had been in their half and gone for goal or a line out I would have questioned their decision not to do so but that was not the case. Maybe that is the pessimism in me, but a draw was a good decision IMHO on that occasion.

However all other opinions expressed about the need for change etc. are valid as far as I am concerned.
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I think the players needed the draw and the fans and Eddie Jones needed a win
The difference however was that England’s cricket captain Ben Stokes believed his players 
Could win and they did. 
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Reports tonight (it's the Mail, so can't vouch for it, altho' their rugby bloke usually fairly well-informed) that Eddie will be sacked tomorrow & replaced by Borthwick...
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and Kevin Sinfield?
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Reports tonight (it's the Mail, so can't vouch for it, altho' their rugby bloke usually fairly well-informed) that Eddie will be sacked tomorrow & replaced by Borthwick...
Only for the 6 Nations then see what happens ? 


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He's gone. 
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BBC announce Jones has gone - after a poor run of form.
I might have phrased it slightly differently.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 11:47
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

BBC announce Jones has gone - after a poor run of form.
I might have phrased it slightly differently.


poor, dismal, woeful, disastrous - does it really matter which adjective is used?!
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I won't be shedding any tears.  I have never seen any evidence that he was taking England forward. He has never had an idea who his best team was or been able to change plans in game when everything started to go awry.
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Richard Huckleberryerill is interim coach
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

I won't be shedding any tears.  I have never seen any evidence that he was taking England forward. He has never had an idea who his best team was or been able to change plans in game when everything started to go awry.

I recall what seemed (at the time) some reasonably strong evidence of this after a game against NZ in Japan a few years ago. But it was quite fleeting - so maybe I dreamt it?
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[QUOTE=Richard Lowther]I won't be shedding any tears.  I have never seen any evidence that he was taking England forward. He has never had an idea who his best team was or been able to change plans in game when everything started to go awry. [/QUOTE]

The classic example for me was England being 31-0 at half time against Scotland at Twickenham in 2019, then luckily getting a draw after Scotland came back to score 38 points in the second half. 

No on the field leadership in that game - No off the field leadership in that game.   The problem was that it didn't stop at that game, it continued afterwards. 

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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

I am hoping for too much if I ask for Farrell to go too?

Us Taffs wanted Eddie to stay, please keep Farrell for the same reason
 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 2022 at 18:13
We’ll find a job for Eddie over in Ireland with all the
other discarded,rubbish England coaches Lancaster,Farrell,Catt and Rowntree
At some stage the players have to say we were not up to International standard.

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If the roles had been reversed would NZ have kicked to touch? We all know the answer and it tells us everything. 


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Steve Borthwick to be confirmed as new head coach in coming days

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Leicester boss Steve Borthwick is set to be confirmed as the new England head coach, with an announcement expected in the coming days.

The 43-year-old has been the overwhelming favourite for the role since Eddie Jones was sacked earlier in December.

The former England captain's first match in charge will be the Six Nations opener against Scotland on 4 February.

Borthwick will leave the Tigers after two-and-a-half years at Welford Road.

He orchestrated Leicester's hard-fought 23-16 win over Clermont Auvergne in the Champions Cup on Saturday.

However, he was unable to confirm afterwards if he would still be at the helm for the Premiership match with Gloucester on 24 December, instead praising his side's ability to win in adversity.

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Borthwick's defence coach at the Tigers, rugby league great Kevin Sinfield, is tipped to join his England coaching staff.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2022 at 22:42
Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Steve Borthwick to be confirmed as new head coach in coming days


tomorrow, apparently... or today if you're reading this on Monday
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The Times have confirmed Steve Borthwick as New England coach 
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