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Is Norman Robertsone ex NCA and RFU Council member at Stourbridge ?
That might explain a little




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In both Worcester (Sorry "Sixways" ) and Stourbridge statements regarding the proposal to play at level 4 next season. Unless the RFU make an exception with Stourbridge at the end of the season they will be relegated to level 5, Unless Sixways RFC are going to provide them with numerous players to enable them to escape the drop. So Sixways will start at level 5 in 23/24 .Assuming that they get consecutive promotions  23/24,24/25, 25/26 then they will be back into the Championship in 26/27. This is on the basis that there is no change at Championship level for 24/25 with the proposal to make 2 x 10 Premiership leagues meaning 6 clubs will be relegated from the championship 
Let us see what happens firstly the Stourbridge Members have to approve it, Then the RFU have to approve a name change (In reality this should mean they must start as a new club at the bottom) and finally are the RFU going to let Stourbridge (Sixways) stay in level 4 despite the probability of them ending in the relegation zone. 
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

In O'tooles statement he acknowledges that to keep the Worcester Warriors name they would have to start at the bottom.  In my opinion they shouldn't have been given this option, same punishment as others eg London Welsh, Richmond.
I understand this argument but imo the RFU got it wrong with their decisions on London Welsh & Richmond and the rigid assessment of this mess leads me to conclude they are getting it wrong again. The mess at Wuss is surely down to the way that business was mismanaged but the objective should surely be to provide a sensible way in which the thousands of supporters could get behind a new team at Sixways which is a premiership facility. starting a new Wuss at the bottom of the pyramid would never achieve that. I would promote Ealing & Cov to the premiership and find a sensible way to fill their places in the Championship with new versions of Wuss and Wasps. 
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Surely as a fairly recent CEO of Warriors, O'Toole played a significant part in the mismanagement of Warriors yet suddenly he's perfectly suitable as a "preferred bidder" and now regrettably part-owner in bed with and part of the Atlas Group. The amateur arm plays on the doorstep and in part of the Sixways complex at Level 6 - surely a tie up with them would make far more sense or does that make "getting back to the Championship and beyond" too long a project?
I guess they will inject immediate cash into Stourbridge to make sure they stay in Nat2W and save themselves 2 years and in the process stuff the rest of the clubs who run their affairs in a sustainable manner and a real community involvement not just a soundbite? Will the RFU see it that way - doubt it! 


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Sadly, Stourbridge RFC know they are going to disappear. So the guys at the top have a decision to make - either go down in flames or make some money for themselves by selling their position to a willing buyer. They have never cared about the junior setup, why would they care now (evidence in not trying to develop the youngsters but instead beg/borrow/steal players from higher clubs). They would never admit it, but they are probably thinking "there are plenty other clubs locally for the mini's & juniors to join". The next step then falls to to RFU..... to make a decision that is in keeping with the integrity of the game.... well, we all know how that's going to turn out..... I can't wait to find out next month what Rugby news is going break!!!  
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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

In O'tooles statement he acknowledges that to keep the Worcester Warriors name they would have to start at the bottom.  In my opinion they shouldn't have been given this option, same punishment as others eg London Welsh, Richmond.
I understand this argument but imo the RFU got it wrong with their decisions on London Welsh & Richmond and the rigid assessment of this mess leads me to conclude they are getting it wrong again. The mess at Wuss is surely down to the way that business was mismanaged but the objective should surely be to provide a sensible way in which the thousands of supporters could get behind a new team at Sixways which is a premiership facility. starting a new Wuss at the bottom of the pyramid would never achieve that. I would promote Ealing & Cov to the premiership and find a sensible way to fill their places in the Championship with new versions of Wuss and Wasps. 
Just what have you got against us, exactly?

CC, that’s an interesting proposition regarding promotion for Ealing and Cov.  However, this won’t  happen for a number of reasons. 
Only Ealing and Doncaster have submitted applications for admittance to the Premiership, Jersey, Coventry and et al did not. Therefore only these two clubs have to meet the criteria requirements.
Currently, the squad is playing very well, have a great spirit but also have picked up some players from Tiers 4 and 5.  To put these players in the way of Premiership players would be almost suicidal, taking the bulk and size of the Premiership players. No. 
But, perhaps the more pertinent point is that next year, 2024 , is Cov’s 150th Anniversary.  Not too sure the Cov management, or the anniversary planners, would like to have to deal with, what would more than likely be a season of drubbings, and such, against these teams filled with internationals.
Don’t think that would be an Anniversary with memories that would be unhappy memories to say the least. 
Cheers CC. 
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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

In O'tooles statement he acknowledges that to keep the Worcester Warriors name they would have to start at the bottom.  In my opinion they shouldn't have been given this option, same punishment as others eg London Welsh, Richmond.
I understand this argument but imo the RFU got it wrong with their decisions on London Welsh & Richmond and the rigid assessment of this mess leads me to conclude they are getting it wrong again. The mess at Wuss is surely down to the way that business was mismanaged but the objective should surely be to provide a sensible way in which the thousands of supporters could get behind a new team at Sixways which is a premiership facility. starting a new Wuss at the bottom of the pyramid would never achieve that. I would promote Ealing & Cov to the premiership and find a sensible way to fill their places in the Championship with new versions of Wuss and Wasps. 
Just what have you got against us, exactly?
Nowt at all mate - I suggested Ealing & Cov because I think they are probably the clubs most likely to be acceptable to the proper people who make the decisions and both seem ambitious enough to want it. I'd love to see Pirates & Donny get a chance but no club should be made to go up and its a sad fact that whoever does go up will inevitably show scant loyalty  to the players who performed for them in the Championship but recruit a shed load of new talent - it was ever thus. The fact that Cov haven't applied is not important - the RFU can make & bend the rules to make things work when it suits them. 

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So the RFU funded the pitch at Stourbridge as well
Might as well have opened the windows at HQ and thrown £400k out 

Total joke 

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Originally posted by donnyladinsheffield donnyladinsheffield wrote:

So maybe not end of Stourbridge. Unless I am missing something obvious 2 into 1 does not go. If Sixways rugby is investing in Stourbridge at Stourton Park what is happening at Sixways?


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Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

So the RFU funded the pitch at Stourbridge as well
Might as well have opened the windows at HQ and thrown £400k out 

Total joke 

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It's been there 5 and a half years. Do the RFU have a crystal ball?
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Four questions spring to mind here:
1. have Atlas completed their takeover of Worcester?
2. how much have they paid?
3. was their bid based upon the highest price for the assets, the best return for the creditors, or the best long-term plan - or maybe a combination of all three?
4. what is the value of the assets - land and buildings that they have purchased (or 'become owners of' might be a better way of phrasing it)?
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See below 1st 4 paras of what's being badged as 'exclusive' story in Telegraph today... rest of article doesn't say much new


Wasps are on the brink of finalising a deal to play at Sixways, the former ground of Worcester Warriors. The arrangement would bring professional rugby back to the venue just months after Warriors were liquidated.

Wasps, who are expected to abandon plans to move to Solihull, were relegated from the Premiership following their own liquidation last year. They are now in the process of applying to join the Championship and any move to Sixways would have to meet the Rugby Football Union’s conditions.

On a dramatic day for the stricken former Premiership clubs, it was also announced that Worcester Warriors would cease to exist, and that Sixways Rugby would enter National League 2 West after rebranding semi-professional side Stourbridge.

The move would involve a groundshare agreement between Wasps and Sixways.
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As an aside, this has come at a convenient time for the RFU. The critical DCMS report has been forgotten under the avalanche of tackling, Six Nations, Warriors / Wasps in general and now the Stourbridge farce.

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Not only Sweeney who's gone quiet - where's the Community Club Union upto?
Forget that - just read their twitter update! 


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Not only Sweeney who's gone quiet - where's the Community Club Union upto?
Forget that - just read their twitter update! 

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