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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 12:37
Originally posted by @boatyjames @boatyjames wrote:

A Community Club Union is the daftest idea out there. Clubs need to re establish good governance at the Union we already have and that we all own not set up some rival - that would be a death spiral for the “community” game.

Totally agree.  It would solve nothing and cost everything.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 12:44
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You misunderstand - maybe misled by the name
The 2 objectives are 
1) To seek consultation about the new tackle laws - achieved almost I would say
2) To gain enough support to call an SGM and propose a vote of no confidence in the leadership ie Sweeney
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 13:20
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Difficult not to agree with Diamond's take on things
Fully agree the RFU should stop repeating old mistakes and approve and fund a joint groundshare of Wuss & Wasps at sixways in the Championship from September. Promote Ealing and Cov (or Pirates or Donny) if Cov turn the offer down. Reintroduce merit based promotion and relegation and sort the funding out properly. Rant over...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 13:51
So here’s a thing.
Would Sixways (RFC?) attract a larger home based crowd then Wasps either playing in the Championship or the PL?

If I were a Warrior, I know where my buck would go!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 13:54
Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Difficult not to agree with Diamond's take on things
Fully agree the RFU should stop repeating old mistakes and approve and fund a joint groundshare of Wuss & Wasps at sixways in the Championship from September. Promote Ealing and Cov (or Pirates or Donny) if Cov turn the offer down. Reintroduce merit based promotion and relegation and sort the funding out properly. Rant over...

If they were to fund a joint Worcester/Wasps operation at Sixways, wouldn't the RFU be repeating old mistakes?! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 15:02
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Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

So the RFU funded the pitch at Stourbridge as well
Might as well have opened the windows at HQ and thrown £400k out 

Total joke 

RFU Rugby 365 artificial grass pitch to be completed at Stourbridge Rugby Club

It's been there 5 and a half years. Do the RFU have a crystal ball?

Have the RFU got any balls at all? We shall see in the coming weeks but I think we already know the answer.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 15:11
What ever happens should this merger go ahead we will lose 1 Club from the leagues. The sad thing about this is that when the National Leagues down to level 4 were well funded. Stourbridge ensured that the RFU funding was used to develop their clubhouse and stand, which is what the RFU should have ensured that all clubs did the same and in addition introduced Ground and Clubhouse criteria for all levels of the National leagues. If they had then we would have not be having this conversation now. 
Stourbridge is a proper community club which will be high jacked to fit a Team" back into the leagues . They should go to the bottom as a New Club called Sixways.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 15:34
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Difficult not to agree with Diamond's take on things
Fully agree the RFU should stop repeating old mistakes and approve and fund a joint groundshare of Wuss & Wasps at sixways in the Championship from September. Promote Ealing and Cov (or Pirates or Donny) if Cov turn the offer down. Reintroduce merit based promotion and relegation and sort the funding out properly. Rant over...

If they were to fund a joint Worcester/Wasps operation at Sixways, wouldn't the RFU be repeating old mistakes?! 
Cleaning up this mess is bound to have a cost but if the RFU save two great clubs like Wuss & Wasps within ten years they will probably sell them on to billionaires at a huge profit and the proper people can get back to the G&Ts and prawn canapes. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote billesleyexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 15:48
Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Difficult not to agree with Diamond's take on things
Fully agree the RFU should stop repeating old mistakes and approve and fund a joint groundshare of Wuss & Wasps at sixways in the Championship from September. Promote Ealing and Cov (or Pirates or Donny) if Cov turn the offer down. Reintroduce merit based promotion and relegation and sort the funding out properly. Rant over...

If they were to fund a joint Worcester/Wasps operation at Sixways, wouldn't the RFU be repeating old mistakes?! 
Cleaning up this mess is bound to have a cost but if the RFU save two great clubs like Wuss & Wasps within ten years they will probably sell them on to billionaires at a huge profit and the proper people can get back to the G&Ts and prawn canapes. 

so the message (if you can live with the personal reputational damage) to club owners up and down the land is 'if you run your club into the ground the RFU will take over and make them a great club'?

Unfortunately, I think we're probably better off actually enforcing the rules (if only to encourage the others) - 'if you break your club, you'd better hope someone wants to buy it or they start again at the bottom.'

Still if the RFU is now in the business of saving great clubs then I'm sure there are a good few club casualties of the professional era that will be pleased to hear imminently from HQ and accept their help back to the top table with open arms... 


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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

The problem for Stour is that they have run their 1st XV largely on the back of loan players from other clubs and now claim it is impossible to run without them and that this route is the only way out of a troubled position.
That there are "no local players around" is absolute "tosh" How about doing what the rest of us have to do? If their finances are sound, as claimed, it's not difficult to identify and recruit players on permanent contracts and/or growing your own through a well run youth system!
Stourbridge is within easy reach of major conurbations so "no players around" is totally laughable. Look at teams in that league - Luctonians, Barnstaple, Newport - all fairly isolated but regularly putting out 3 or 4 teams and a Colts side.
I hope the "Stour" members treat the proposal with disdain and throw it out as it will quite clearly be the end of Stourbridge as they know it - how many of the Stour would travel to watch effectively New Worcester? Relegation doesn't mean the end of the world - it's an opportunity to step back, re-assess and rebuild for a better future
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 16:34
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

What Worcester RFC make of all this

Well don't think anyone can argue with any of that statement
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

When we get enough letters from clubs formally submitted to the RFU calling for one.
Wheels are turning.



I was under the impression that there have been enough letters for some time.

Sweeney strikes me as a similar Teflon type of RFU to Rob Andrew!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thunderbird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2023 at 12:59
Presumably they will be expediting player registrations, as the registration dead line is this Friday. Unless of course  it's already been  completed.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2023 at 13:20
As I understand it, sufficient clubs have told CCU, they will submit letters.
But not all have. Some need to hold the necessary committee meetings.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KnightsBoy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2023 at 13:25
Originally posted by Thunderbird Thunderbird wrote:

Presumably they will be expediting player registrations, as the registration dead line is this Friday. Unless of course  it's already been  completed.

Isn't that deadline for this season, I would assume  they can sign players for next season
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2023 at 15:23
As far as I am aware Atlas haven't yet completed the takeover and haven't parted with a single penny as yet. Would they shell out enough funds to ensure Stourbridge escape relegation. Even then nothings certain - they could pick up max points and still go down. 
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Yes for this season. If they want to avoid relegartion with the squad they have it will be a miracle. So presumably they will need new players to avoid going to level 5.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2023 at 16:06
But until the Stour membership vote in favour at an SGM, and they still might not despite the vibes coming out on Social media, it is all up in the air plus we have the threat of an RFU intervention. The more this goes on the less reliable Atlas look! 
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