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    Posted: 21 Oct 2023 at 22:10
The two best teams in the world bidding to be the first to raise Webb Ellis Cup for the fourth time both having overcome defeats in the group stage to reach the final.  Hopefully another humdinger for us next Saturday night.
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(Reuters) - England’s Wayne Barnes, the most experienced referee in history with 110 tests, will officiate Saturday’s World Cup final between New Zealand and holders South Africa in Paris, World Rugby confirmed on Monday.

Barnes will have compatriots Karl Dickson and Matthew Carley as his assistant referees, with Tom Foley named as the Television Match Official.
Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Really don't understand why Luke Pearce hasn't been involved in the knockout stages. No question that Barnes is the best ref out there, but Pearce wasn't far off his level in the group stages, and certainly much better than some of those who have had multiple appointments in the final three weekends.
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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Really don't understand why Luke Pearce hasn't been involved in the knockout stages. No question that Barnes is the best ref out there, but Pearce wasn't far off his level in the group stages, and certainly much better than some of those who have had multiple appointments in the final three weekends.

100% agree MWJ - having looked at social media there are a large number of people, including some respected/ senior journos, who are scratching their heads for the same reason...
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

(Reuters) - England’s Wayne Barnes, the most experienced referee in history with 110 tests, will officiate Saturday’s World Cup final between New Zealand and holders South Africa in Paris, World Rugby confirmed on Monday.

Barnes will have compatriots Karl Dickson and Matthew Carley as his assistant referees, with Tom Foley named as the Television Match Official.


Fully deserved too, was almost guaranteed 
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I'm surprised Raynal didn't get to run touch at least in his home country.  Not saying he should have, just that I'm surprised!
That's easy for you to say.
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Originally posted by Albert Fishwick Albert Fishwick wrote:

I'm surprised Raynal didn't get to run touch at least in his home country.  Not saying he should have, just that I'm surprised!


I agree with both comments
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Raynal is 42, perhaps in the running for 2027? WR seem to have seen the merit of having a team who work together often.

Remain surprised about Luke Pearce having zero KO appointments (middle or touch) this year - in age terms, he's much younger (35) but I'd say he's ready now.
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SA go for a 7-1 split on the bench 

South Africa XV: 15. Damian Willemse, 14. Kurt Lee Arendse, 13. Jesse Kriel, 12. Damian De Allende, 11. Cheslin Kolbe, 10. Handre Pollard, 9. Faf de Klerk; 1. Steven Kitshoff, 2. Bongi Mbonambi, 3. Frans Malherbe, 4. Eben Etzebeth 5. Franco Mostert 6. Siya Kolisi, 7. Pieter-Steph du Toit, 8. Duane Vermeulen.

Replacements: 16. Deon Fourie, 17. Ox Nche, 18. Trevor Nyakane, 19. Jean Kleyn, 20. RG Snyman, 21. Kwagga Smith, 22. Jasper Wiese, 23. Willie le Roux.
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Bongi Mbonambi named in South Africa team to face New Zealand

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South Africa hooker Bongi Mbonambi will start against New Zealand in Saturday's Rugby World Cup final after a ruling there was "insufficient evidence" he used a racial slur towards Tom Curry.

The England flanker said he was abused during last Saturday's semi-final, which South Africa won 16-15.

Governing body World Rugby said Curry had made the allegation in good faith.

The Rugby Football Union (RFU) says it is "deeply disappointed" by the decision not to charge Mbonambi.

World Rugby's investigation had also taken into account an allegation that Curry had been abused by Mbonambi during England's match against South Africa last November.

"Having considered all the available evidence, including match footage, audio and evidence from both teams, the governing body has determined that there is insufficient evidence at this time to proceed with charges," World Rugby said. "Therefore, the matter is deemed closed unless additional evidence comes to light.

"It is important to note that World Rugby accepts that Tom Curry made the allegations in good faith, and that there is no suggestion that the allegation was deliberately false or malicious."

The RFU says World Rugby's decision not to put the evidence before an independent disciplinary panel "denied the opportunity" to hear Curry's account.

The flanker has suffered online abuse for reporting the incident which England captain Owen Farrell described as "unacceptable".

An RFU statement read: "In their continued full support of Tom, the RFU together with the England squad, condemn the disgusting abuse he and his family has received on social media as a result of his having had the courage to put unacceptable behaviour that has no place in society or on the rugby field, in the public eye.

"Abuse of any kind is not acceptable and goes against the core values of rugby. It is important that it is safe and acceptable for everyone involved in rugby union to raise concerns, and the RFU continue to encourage everyone to report any unacceptable behaviour in the game."

Springboks captain Siya Kolisi says he has reached out to Curry and hopes the abuse will stop.

"I have spoken to him," Kolisi said. "We can take it as players when it comes to you directly, but when it's your family, it's difficult."
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Justice. That's all I'll say about that.

Edited by Robb - 28 Oct 2023 at 20:11
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No
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I thought All Blacks would have gone for drop goal when they were close with 15 minutes to go. 
Good game but rugby as I like to see it wasn’t like the 2 quarter finals 
But well done South Africa. They found a way to win 


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The quarter-finals were played in the dry, that might have had something to do with it.
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Game decided by outside influences 
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Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

Game decided by outside influences 

Interesting theory RB - by all means elaborate…
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Okay islander and these are opinions which everyone has.
The TMO and referral system are not fit for purpose.
First yellow NZ 6 - in game time no action from any officials hauled back by TMO suddenly its a debate on what they thought was going on on review couldn’t be helped so was it a yellow IMO no
Red Card Cane - again missed by officials dragged back by TMO and all manner of interpretations IMO Kriel (who should have received a red v Scotland for something worse/similar) was on hos way down leaning forward yellow at worse. If it was bad enough for Red why no HIA.
Yellow SA 6 - if Canes was a red I can see no mitigation that applies to this direct Head on head must be red
Yellow SA winger - okay see these given probably correct.

So in essence the game was decided by guys sat in a bunker giving their interpretation of what they thought happened so not the match officials. I thought WB had a decent game and a couple of times overruled what the TMO decision which is tough for me to say

Too much for a Sunday morning
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I don't think Kolisi should have had his yellow upgraded because he is clearly bent at the hip. Cane, on the other hand, is upright and therefore 'never legal', to fall back on the terminology the refs were using last season. The officials got them.both right, in my view.
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Cane’s was direct shoulder contact to the head when he’s not lowered his height. Doesn’t matter what the Kriel does with his height if the tackler doesn’t lower and make direct contact he’s gone.

Kolisi wasn’t direct contact, first contact went through the shoulder which was mitigation.

Both were refereed correctly to the law, wether you like the law or not is another question but both correct
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What I don't understand is why the ball carrier is allowed to shove their forearm etc into the head of the tackler. Etzebet got away with this several  times.
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