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Yeeealing
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Blues you seem to worry over Ealing quite a lot ? Just a observation 😂😂
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Camquin
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Ealing is the best resourced side in the league, with the strongest squad and a fabulous facility. Someone has to be. |
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WEvans
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For a number read dozens! The LS squad last Friday featured ten Harlequins players. Not sure if they had any loan players from elsewhere.
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Paul10
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Some interesting comments on this here.
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SK 88
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Are there any plans in the public domain? Does the Championship have a proposal of its own? Can I read what the RFU's "Premiership 2" plan actually is anywhere?
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FHLH
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Not that I can find, but 2 years ago: Premiership Rugby has welcomed the vote, at a meeting today of the RFU Council, in favour of the expansion of the Gallagher Premiership to 14 clubs in season 2022-23, subject to meeting the required minimum standards. The package of measures, which involves a temporary pause on relegation, will help to improve the financial stability and sustainability of professional rugby during the next three seasons following the unprecedented impact of COVID-19 on club finances. The plan follows a detailed consultation involving stakeholders across the game, including Premiership Rugby and our member clubs, Championship clubs, The RPA, RFU Board and RFU Council. How things change!
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Kimbo
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A fairly wide-ranging interview on the Beeb with Jon Sharp, Chairman of Cov RFC here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0gpv78b
It starts at about eight minutes in, then continues at around 22 (I think, maybe a little further on) minutes after a short break. Covers a lot of ground around the Prem 2 debacle, the failed Prem clubs, and naturally the Cov club's outlook on the future of the game. Quite enlightening and worth a listen if you can spare the time. His (paraphrased) quote re. "I wouldn't want to have to wash my mouth out with soap" particularly made me and 'er indoors giggle.
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workerbee
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Whilst there are no actual proposals in writing from the RFU or the Championship Most would agree that the starting point is 13 meaningful home games in a season.
So finally going back to the start a 14 team league, 13 home games, No Cup would be my preferred option. |
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gerg_861
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Great interview. Thanks for sharing.
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TAS63
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Bedford interview forum discussing Championship and future. Feels, to me, like an attempt to politely get the RFU to open up and be more discussive. Have to say they have more patience with them that I do - perhaps too much? But what choice do they really have. https://youtube.com/watch?v=5tdvaxU1M0U&si=ZUBBOTAR3yPKhgNV
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castleparknight
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The problems are many and varied- what have the RFU / PRL agreed behind closed doors? What does the RFU plan on doing with the Championship and then on down the pyramid.
What does the Championship want, and what are their plans if the RFU and them cannot come to a sensible agreement? I fear we won’t get answers, just lots a sketchy veiled references of we may do this or that. I think we (Rugby) are truly screwed until we get new leadership at HQ.
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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FHLH
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Slight divergence - will the England Central Contracts funding be top sliced from existing Premiership funding or will it be found elsewhere? Couldn't find anything obvious to clarify.
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Paul10
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I've only seen this mentioned in a theoretical way. For example, Lawes suggested it would be good. (Of course he would) I haven't seen or heard RFU suggesting this. Though you'd expect the payments to clubs for international releases would be diverted to central contacts.
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WILD BOAR
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RFU Council Meeting Report 01/12/23 Edited by WILD BOAR - 06 Dec 2023 at 09:46 |
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islander
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hmm - seems a bit like Monty Python's Black Knight "not being derailed" by losing his limbs one by one. There was a pretty clear expression of interest 2 weeks ago, wasn't there, with the current Champ clubs stating firmly that they weren't up for it? That may have been a negotiating position for much better terms, rather than a case of 'no, never under any circumstances', but still seems a very long way to go. At one stage clarity was due by December 2023, let's see if the new deadline 6 months hence is met...
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Breakdown
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If that is right, Wild Boar, it seems RFU and PRL are determined to steamroller ahead with a new Tier 2 not based on merit (i.e. Promotion/Relegation) but on suitability. That can only mean revival of the "Phoenix clubs" and trying to cherry pick NCA clubs that fit with their idea of creating a kind of zombie feeder league. e.g. DMP for the North East "franchise".
Who apart from PRL clubs and their failed former comrades actually benefits from the creation of such a league?
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Broken down. Beyond repair.
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WILD BOAR
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Spot on....Breakdown
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Greg
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Surely in any negotiation both parties are required to put their proposition forward.
Why aren't the Championship making clear what they want/expect in the creation of a revised second tier? At the moment they only appear to say what they don't want - a position that simply gives all the decision-making back to the other party. Bring in Mick Lynch for some training on how to hold the RFU/PRL to account.
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castleparknight
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Totally agree that Championship clubs need to be clear in what they want
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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workerbee
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I think the Championship clubs have made it clear what the want.
What I would say the main issue is that the RFU will not sit down with the championship directly and put their model in writing, which would allow the Championship to put their proposals to the RFU.
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