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    Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 22:17
The current salary cap means that premiership sides have no chance of competing in the Champions or Challenge Cup.

It is clear that only Saracens, who are suspected of breaking the cap, have any chance of winning this weekend.

Sorry, I am just haring something in my ear.

Apparently, eight of the ten English sides won, with only Saracens and Newcastle losing.
With Saints, Quins and Gloucester (Challenge Cup) winning away in Glasgow, Paris and Tbilisi.

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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

The current salary cap means that premiership sides have no chance of competing in the Champions or Challenge Cup.

It is clear that only Saracens, who are suspected of breaking the cap, have any chance of winning this weekend.

Sorry, I am just haring something in my ear.

Apparently, eight of the ten English sides won, with only Saracens and Newcastle losing.
With Saints, Quins and Gloucester (Challenge Cup) winning away in Glasgow, Paris and Tbilisi.


Mr William Sweeny sits smugly bin his chair. Sipping Whiskey. Thinks of the shambles he is running and feels justified this weekend.

So sad.
The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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I see Chris Ashton and Ugo Monye have critized Henry Arundell for signing a contract extension with Racing 92 until 2026. Both saying it will damage his England career. If he comes back in 3 years time at 24 with a wealth of European experience hell do well - or stay in France and qualify for FFR LOL
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At the end of the day he is a professional rugby player plus an exciting talent so he chose the more free flowing French league over the turgid stuff we normally get in the Premiership. The overseas rule is ridiculous as it is only France not Australia
Why is the RFU’s sole purpose to protect the Premiership, when it doesn’t stop all the imports from coming as marquee players!
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

I see Chris Ashton and Ugo Monye have critized Henry Arundell for signing a contract extension with Racing 92 until 2026. Both saying it will damage his England career. If he comes back in 3 years time at 24 with a wealth of European experience hell do well - or stay in France and qualify for FFR LOL
He can't play for France now he's been capped by England.  The three-year rule only applies to switching to play for the country of birth.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

The current salary cap means that premiership sides have no chance of competing in the Champions or Challenge Cup.

It is clear that only Saracens, who are suspected of breaking the cap, have any chance of winning this weekend.

Sorry, I am just haring something in my ear.

Apparently, eight of the ten English sides won, with only Saracens and Newcastle losing.
With Saints, Quins and Gloucester (Challenge Cup) winning away in Glasgow, Paris and Tbilisi.


LOL

That old excuse to explain poor coaching and game plans. 
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Henry Arundell could play for France or even another country if his parents or grandparents are born in that country he has chosen after 3 years 

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Another article in RP - 30 non-EQ props in the 10 club Premiership - mostly playing in match day 23
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Another article in RP - 30 non-EQ props in the 10 club Premiership - mostly playing in match day 23


Doesn't surprise me, plenty of Saffers and Eastern Europeans many are props
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Another article in RP - 30 non-EQ props in the 10 club Premiership - mostly playing in match day 23


Doesn't surprise me, plenty of Saffers and Eastern Europeans many are props

That's all good, isnt it? And the Fijians, Argentinians.

It means whatever English players are playing are at a higher level than they would otherwise be. The 2 best teams are Sale and Saracens and most of their props are English. Behind them are Leicester and Northampton - the same.
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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Another article in RP - 30 non-EQ props in the 10 club Premiership - mostly playing in match day 23


Doesn't surprise me, plenty of Saffers and Eastern Europeans many are props

That's all good, isnt it? And the Fijians, Argentinians.

It means whatever English players are playing are at a higher level than they would otherwise be. The 2 best teams are Sale and Saracens and most of their props are English. Behind them are Leicester and Northampton - the same.

Whatever props you are talking about at these Premiership clubs they are not performing at International level. So I would have thought get rid of these Old props coming over here from other countries for their pension and let young lads from Championship and Nat 1 get a chance. Ireland do not let Provinces sign players from overseas if it would hinder homegrown players progress 
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There is a simple solution but unfortunately the RFU won't apply it. For every non English qualified player in every match reduce their RFU funding by £10,000. If they want overseas players find the money elsewhere - if there is any.
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Originally posted by IonMan IonMan wrote:

There is a simple solution but unfortunately the RFU won't apply it. For every non English qualified player in every match reduce their RFU funding by £10,000. If they want overseas players find the money elsewhere - if there is any.


Simpler to restrict the number of overseas players per club
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by IonMan IonMan wrote:

There is a simple solution but unfortunately the RFU won't apply it. For every non English qualified player in every match reduce their RFU funding by £10,000. If they want overseas players find the money elsewhere - if there is any.


Simpler to restrict the number of overseas players per club

This is what happens anyway, isn't it?

The budget cap encourages more English players. And clubs are paid for their england internationals.

And these hybrid contracts will reinforce this.
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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Another article in RP - 30 non-EQ props in the 10 club Premiership - mostly playing in match day 23


Doesn't surprise me, plenty of Saffers and Eastern Europeans many are props

That's all good, isnt it? And the Fijians, Argentinians.

It means whatever English players are playing are at a higher level than they would otherwise be. The 2 best teams are Sale and Saracens and most of their props are English. Behind them are Leicester and Northampton - the same.

Saracens have 4 imported international props Ricciono(Italy), Hoskins (Australia), Mawi (Fiji), Munipola (Samoa).

Scrummaging was identified as a weakness prior to the 2019 World Cup so the RFU have finally appointed a prop-hunter, Nathan Catt (Bath) - so that should give us 10 years without any wise heads. Cole and Marler will have to defer retirement to keep the scrum propped!
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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by IonMan IonMan wrote:

There is a simple solution but unfortunately the RFU won't apply it. For every non English qualified player in every match reduce their RFU funding by £10,000. If they want overseas players find the money elsewhere - if there is any.


Simpler to restrict the number of overseas players per club


This is what happens anyway, isn't it?

The budget cap encourages more English players. And clubs are paid for their england internationals.

And these hybrid contracts will reinforce this.
Not working is it, either the limit is too high or nobody enforces it.

Just lower the limit to max of 4 registered overseas players per club.

As stated Saracens have 4 overseas props alone - no wonder the national team is struggling at prop!
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Now we are really short of props:

"Harlequins prop Joe Marler's arm injury is being assessed by specialists amid front-row concerns for England ahead of the Six Nations.

Marler's fellow loosehead props Ellis Genge, Bevan Rodd, Mako Vunipola and Val Rapava-Ruskin are all currently on the sidelines." (Sky Sport)



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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Now we are really short of props:

"Harlequins prop Joe Marler's arm injury is being assessed by specialists amid front-row concerns for England ahead of the Six Nations.

Marler's fellow loosehead props Ellis Genge, Bevan Rodd, Mako Vunipola and Val Rapava-Ruskin are all currently on the sidelines." (Sky Sport)


You're got Italy first and then us (Wales).

Props won't matter until Scotland in late Feb.
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Now we are really short of props:

"Harlequins prop Joe Marler's arm injury is being assessed by specialists amid front-row concerns for England ahead of the Six Nations.

Marler's fellow loosehead props Ellis Genge, Bevan Rodd, Mako Vunipola and Val Rapava-Ruskin are all currently on the sidelines." (Sky Sport)



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Saracens and England prop Mako Vunipola has been banned for four games following his red card in the Premiership game against Newcastle.

The 32-year-old was sent off for a dangerous tackle on Falcons hooker Bryan Byrne in Saturday's 37-19 win.

Vunipola admitted foul play but said it did not meet the red card threshold.

An independent disciplinary panel upheld the sending-off and imposed the ban, which will see Vunipola return in time for the Six Nations.

Vunipola will miss Saracens' games in the Premiership against Leicester Tigers and Exeter Chiefs, either side of their Investec Champions Cup matches at Bordeaux-Begles and at home to Lyon.

However, he will be available for England's Six Nations opener against Italy in Rome on 3 February if selected by head coach Steve Borthwick, whose three World Cup squad loosehead props Ellis Genge, Joe Marler and Bevan Rodd are currently injured.

Vunipola was ineligible to take part in World Rugby's coaching intervention programme, which could have seen his ban reduced by one game, having completed it previously in 2022.
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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Props won't matter until Scotland in late Feb.

The point is that England are already short of props due to non-EQP players in Premiership squads so it won't take much to bring the front row to its knees, pun intended Cry


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