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Zach Mercer must be disappointed, surely a better player than Roots and Dombrant.

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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Jamie George as England Captain 

England's Six Nations squad

Forwards: Ollie Chessum, Dan Cole, Alex Coles, Luke Cowan-Dickie, Chandler Cunningham-South, Ben Curry, Theo Dan, Alex Dombrandt, Ben Earl, Ellis Genge, Jamie George (capt), Joe Heyes, Nick Isiekwe, Maro Itoje, Joe Marler, Beno Obano, Tom Pearson, Ethan Roots, Will Stuart, Sam Underhill.

Backs: Oscar Beard, Danny Care, Elliot Daly, Fraser Dingwall, Immanuel Feyi-Waboso, George Ford, Tommy Freeman, George Furbank, Ollie Lawrence, Alex Mitchell, Tom Roebuck, Henry Slade, Fin Smith, Marcus Smith, Ben Spencer, Freddie Steward.

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Feyi-Waboso is an exciting attacking talent, however he was exposed defensively several time last weekend.


He certainly has a lot to learn and will improve but I think we have seen far less talented attacking wingers playing for England recently with no better and in some cases worse defensive skills.


Unless the England gameplay changes dramatically, wingers will only be required to defend, chase kicks and be good in the air.

Not sure he fits these requirements.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Paul10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jan 2024 at 17:02
Ethan Roots is the odd one.
Really?
I watched him play lots of games for Ospreys and at no stage did I think, "is he welsh?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jan 2024 at 16:48
Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:



Quote Feyi-Waboso is an exciting attacking talent, however he was exposed defensively several time last weekend.

He's barely played 20 matches of pro rugby.
I expect him to get a game or two.

He's v quick. But which 6 nations winger isn't?

This is where the old system of County games/Divisional matches, international trial games, A/B internationals would weed out those that aren't ready for the top. 

Now a days it does feel that every English qualified player in the Premiership gets the chance to play for England. Confused


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Quote Feyi-Waboso is an exciting attacking talent, however he was exposed defensively several time last weekend.

He's barely played 20 matches of pro rugby.
I expect him to get a game or two.

He's v quick. But which 6 nations winger isn't?


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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Jamie George as England Captain 

England's Six Nations squad

Forwards: Ollie Chessum, Dan Cole, Alex Coles, Luke Cowan-Dickie, Chandler Cunningham-South, Ben Curry, Theo Dan, Alex Dombrandt, Ben Earl, Ellis Genge, Jamie George (capt), Joe Heyes, Nick Isiekwe, Maro Itoje, Joe Marler, Beno Obano, Tom Pearson, Ethan Roots, Will Stuart, Sam Underhill.

Backs: Oscar Beard, Danny Care, Elliot Daly, Fraser Dingwall, Immanuel Feyi-Waboso, George Ford, Tommy Freeman, George Furbank, Ollie Lawrence, Alex Mitchell, Tom Roebuck, Henry Slade, Fin Smith, Marcus Smith, Ben Spencer, Freddie Steward.

* Uncapped



Feyi-Waboso is an exciting attacking talent, however he was exposed defensively several time last weekend.

He certainly has a lot to learn and will improve but I think we have seen far less talented attacking wingers playing for England recently with no better and in some cases worse defensive skills.
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Jamie George as England Captain 

England's Six Nations squad

Forwards: Ollie Chessum, Dan Cole, Alex Coles, Luke Cowan-Dickie, Chandler Cunningham-South, Ben Curry, Theo Dan, Alex Dombrandt, Ben Earl, Ellis Genge, Jamie George (capt), Joe Heyes, Nick Isiekwe, Maro Itoje, Joe Marler, Beno Obano, Tom Pearson, Ethan Roots, Will Stuart, Sam Underhill.

Backs: Oscar Beard, Danny Care, Elliot Daly, Fraser Dingwall, Immanuel Feyi-Waboso, George Ford, Tommy Freeman, George Furbank, Ollie Lawrence, Alex Mitchell, Tom Roebuck, Henry Slade, Fin Smith, Marcus Smith, Ben Spencer, Freddie Steward.

* Uncapped



Feyi-Waboso is an exciting attacking talent, however he was exposed defensively several time last weekend.

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Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Watching the Edinburgh v Gloucester match at the weekend, the Scottish commentators mentioned Zach Mercer switching allegiance to Scotland several times.

The basis for this being he lived in Scotland for a number of years as a youth.

However, as far as I can see, he could only play for a country that he or his parents/grandparents were born in?

He was born in England, his dad in New Zealand- I couldn't see any information about his mother or grandparents.



According to his Wikipedia entry Mercer lived in Scotland from the age of 8 and became Scottish-qualified through residency and appeared for the Scotland U16 team.  He was also in the Glasgow Warriors academy prior to joining Bath.

Thought I'd also check the inevitable list of England players born outside of this sceptic isle.



I knew this, what I cannot see is anything that says you can swap countries to one you have lived in, only one you or parents/grandparents was born in
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Gregory Alldritt replaces absent Antoine Dupont as captain

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Forwards: Cyril Baille, Reda Wardi, Sebastien Taofifenua, Dorian Aldegheri, Uini Atonio, Thomas Laclayat, Julien Marchand, Peato Mauvaka, Gaetan Barlot, Emmanuel Meafou, Romain Taofifenua, Cameron Woki, Paul Gabrillagues, Matthias Halagahu, Gregory Alldritt, Francois Cros, Anthony Jelonch, Charles Ollivon, Esteban Abadie, Paul Boudehent.

Backs: Nolann Le Garrec, Maxime Lucu, Antoine Gibert, Matthieu Jalibert, Jonathan Danty, Nicolas Depoortere, Gael Fickou, Yoram Moefana, Emilien Gailleton, Louis Bielle-Biarrey, Damian Penaud, Matthis Lebel, Melvyn Jaminet, Thomas Ramos.
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Peter O'Mahony named Ireland captain following Johnny Sexton's retirement

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Forwards: Ryan Baird, Finlay Bealham, Tadhg Beirne, Jack Conan, Caelan Doris, Tadhg Furlong, Cian Healy, Iain Henderson, Ronan Kelleher, Jeremy Loughman, Joe McCarthy, Peter O'Mahony (capt), Tom O'Toole, Andrew Porter, James Ryan, Dan Sheehan, Tom Stewart, Nick Timoney, Josh van der Flier.

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Jamie George as England Captain 

England's Six Nations squad

Forwards: Ollie Chessum, Dan Cole, Alex Coles, Luke Cowan-Dickie, Chandler Cunningham-South, Ben Curry, Theo Dan, Alex Dombrandt, Ben Earl, Ellis Genge, Jamie George (capt), Joe Heyes, Nick Isiekwe, Maro Itoje, Joe Marler, Beno Obano, Tom Pearson, Ethan Roots, Will Stuart, Sam Underhill.

Backs: Oscar Beard, Danny Care, Elliot Daly, Fraser Dingwall, Immanuel Feyi-Waboso, George Ford, Tommy Freeman, George Furbank, Ollie Lawrence, Alex Mitchell, Tom Roebuck, Henry Slade, Fin Smith, Marcus Smith, Ben Spencer, Freddie Steward.

* Uncapped


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It's the modern world.

My children would be eligible for 3 countries (neither me or wife are English but live here).
That's before moving and qualifying on residency grounds.
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Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Watching the Edinburgh v Gloucester match at the weekend, the Scottish commentators mentioned Zach Mercer switching allegiance to Scotland several times.

The basis for this being he lived in Scotland for a number of years as a youth.

However, as far as I can see, he could only play for a country that he or his parents/grandparents were born in?

He was born in England, his dad in New Zealand- I couldn't see any information about his mother or grandparents.


According to his Wikipedia entry Mercer lived in Scotland from the age of 8 and became Scottish-qualified through residency and appeared for the Scotland U16 team.  He was also in the Glasgow Warriors academy prior to joining Bath.

Thought I'd also check the inevitable list of England players born outside of this sceptic isle.

They have Irish-born Kyran Bracken at 9, but I can't be the only one who remembers Welsh-born Dewi Morris playing at 9 against Wales, who themselves had English-born Rupert Moon as his opposite number.
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Ellis Genge: England prop says he has recovered from hamstring injury 'like Wolverine'

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Ellis Genge says he has recovered from a hamstring injury before England's Six Nations opener with healing powers akin to Marvel superhero Wolverine.

England head coach Steve Borthwick is set to name his squad on Wednesday and Genge, 28, says he will be fit to face Italy on 3 February.

The Bristol prop was injured on club duty in December but could return for the derby with Bath on 27 January.

"I'm all good. They said the hammy has healed," said Genge.

"They said miraculous, like Wolverine," he added, referring to the fictional X-Men character who is able to repair damaged tissue quickly.

"They said there is still a little bit of scar tissue that is a little bit immature, so we'll just tick away at that this week. But I should be fit.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Watching the Edinburgh v Gloucester match at the weekend, the Scottish commentators mentioned Zach Mercer switching allegiance to Scotland several times.

The basis for this being he lived in Scotland for a number of years as a youth.

However, as far as I can see, he could only play for a country that he or his parents/grandparents were born in?

He was born in England, his dad in New Zealand- I couldn't see any information about his mother or grandparents.


According to his Wikipedia entry Mercer lived in Scotland from the age of 8 and became Scottish-qualified through residency and appeared for the Scotland U16 team.  He was also in the Glasgow Warriors academy prior to joining Bath.

Thought I'd also check the inevitable list of England players born outside of this sceptic isle.

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Watching the Edinburgh v Gloucester match at the weekend, the Scottish commentators mentioned Zach Mercer switching allegiance to Scotland several times.

The basis for this being he lived in Scotland for a number of years as a youth.

However, as far as I can see, he could only play for a country that he or his parents/grandparents were born in?

He was born in England, his dad in New Zealand- I couldn't see any information about his mother or grandparents.

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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

Can someone tell me my assumptions are wrong.

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An English born player plays for England at 18, doesn't play again after 3 years he plays for Wales (Welsh father), doesn't play again after 3 years he plays for Scotland (Scottish mother) doesn't play again after 3 years he plays for Ireland (Irish grandfather)

Please tell me I'm wrong 



I thought you were limited to just the one change and two countries max. 

You are correct Richard

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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Who's Will Hurd of Leicester?

Don't recognise that name.

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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

Can someone tell me my assumptions are wrong.

Full internationaldy
An English born player plays for England at 18, doesn't play again after 3 years he plays for Wales (Welsh father), doesn't play again after 3 years he plays for Scotland (Scottish mother) doesn't play again after 3 years he plays for Ireland (Irish grandfather)

Please tell me I'm wrong 
 

I thought you were limited to just the one change and two countries max. 

Hope so


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2024 at 17:24
Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

Can someone tell me my assumptions are wrong.

Full internationaldy
An English born player plays for England at 18, doesn't play again after 3 years he plays for Wales (Welsh father), doesn't play again after 3 years he plays for Scotland (Scottish mother) doesn't play again after 3 years he plays for Ireland (Irish grandfather)

Please tell me I'm wrong 

I thought you were limited to just the one change and two countries max. 
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