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    Posted: 09 Feb 2024 at 01:59
Pro/Semi Pro are run/played by paid staff and watched by fans

Amateur clubs are run by volunteers and watched by supporters (and 1st XV pay subscriptions) 
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Originally posted by BP Youth BP Youth wrote:

In the context of the article it may have been better if Joe had said the leading community club in Yorkshire, rather than amateur, pleasing Mr Sweeney, if no one else, certainly not Yogi, who seems intent on labouring a point.

Well said BP Youth. 

Years ago, a rugby club was a rugby club. We had no need to distinguish between the present day community clubs, who have various mens/womens senior teams, mini junior sections, volunteers, who give something back to the game and, those clubs who simply fund a 1stXV squad and live/exist off the back of players produced by the community clubs. 


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In the context of the article it may have been better if Joe had said the leading community club in Yorkshire, rather than amateur, pleasing Mr Sweeney, if no one else, certainly not Yogi, who seems intent on labouring a point.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Yogi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Feb 2024 at 20:18
All these comments make very interesting reading.

Now that Sid has joined in he cannot, or will not, answer my original question - are Hull Iomians 
going to be truly amateur. 

Thank you to BP Youth for answering on behalf of your club.



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Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:


I have just read a very interesting article in the latest Rugby Paper featuring an interview with the 
Head Coach of Hull Ionians Joe Makin. In it he expressed his wish for his club to become the leading
amateur club in Yorkshire, using the word amateur on three occasions.

Does this mean that Hull Ionians are considering going truly amateur and maybe ceasing to pay their 
players?

Yogi.
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Anyone who found this fill-in article on page 47, read it ( more than once, I suspect) and found it very interesting must be a regular reader of the local HDM and BRM, or more than likely just wanted to cast aspersions against local rivals. 
The lad who wrote the article knew nothing about Joe, rang him at work, catching him somewhat on the hop. Naturally enough not every word would be considered. 
However, although the word amateur appears three times it is only once directly attributed to Joe. 

In answer to your question, Yogi. No.

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Well my take on it is that you're either amateur or you're not - there's no in between to discuss
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Here we go - get ready for some East Yorkshire tit-for-tat banter!! 😂😂
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Here we go - get ready for some East Yorkshire tit-for-tat banter!! 😂😂

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Here we go - get ready for some East Yorkshire tit-for-tat banter!! 😂😂
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Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:


I have just read a very interesting article in the latest Rugby Paper featuring an interview with the 
Head Coach of Hull Ionians Joe Makin. In it he expressed his wish for his club to become the leading
amateur club in Yorkshire, using the word amateur on three occasions.

Does this mean that Hull Ionians are considering going truly amateur and maybe ceasing to pay their 
players?

Yogi.

Joe also mentioned Hull Ionians 2ndXV, the Ramblers team, the Senior Womens team, the very successful Mini Junior Section and the army of Club volunteers.
Have you anything to say on those points?
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:

Richard,
With respect, not when Joe Makin used the word amateur three times in a national newspaper. 

You miss the point entirely. 

Quite correct Richard.

Over the years, Yogi's Club have repeatedly 'missed the point entirely' when it comes to paying players.
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Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:


I have just read a very interesting article in the latest Rugby Paper featuring an interview with the 
Head Coach of Hull Ionians Joe Makin. In it he expressed his wish for his club to become the leading
amateur club in Yorkshire, using the word amateur on three occasions.

Does this mean that Hull Ionians are considering going truly amateur and maybe ceasing to pay their 
players?

Yogi.


I think this depends on your definition of amateur to be honest. For example if expenses are paid at what point do you move from amateur to professional? 

When I played I was a true amateur. No one sensible would have paid for my services and I paid all my own expenses and bought my own kit. I doubt the same is true of the Hull Ionians senior players and quite rightly so if people are paying to watch them play.  



When the expenses are grossly exaggerated?

Yes Ashley that was what I meant.
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I thought Rosslyn Parks players were  pro and full time, not sure why I thought that, sure someone on here said so, of the others I'm not sure. Not all the Championship are full time pro either are they? The Lions  say on their Pitchero site, that they are a semi pro side, what ever that entails.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kingsheathlad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Feb 2024 at 14:36
I'm guessing in National 1,no players are fully professional,perhaps have full time jobs ,so match fees could be pocket money to cover travel to club for training and games.
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Thanks Richard.
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Originally posted by Paul10 Paul10 wrote:

Depends how big the fee is, doesn't it?

If it's a 2nd job type fee then, yes, semi-pro.


A contract requires a quid pro quo, in Rugby presumably payment for playing, so the size of the fee is irrelevant, it's the fact you are getting any fee that tips you into the professional sphere.

The Semi part would come in under this dictionary definition "receiving payment for an activity but not relying entirely on it for a living" 
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Depends how big the fee is, doesn't it?

If it's a 2nd job type fee then, yes, semi-pro.

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If a player is on a contract but only paid a match fee  is that.semi-pro.
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Originally posted by Yogi Yogi wrote:

Richard,
With respect, not when Joe Makin used the word amateur three times in a national newspaper. 

You miss the point entirely. 
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