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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2022 at 16:02
Marigold, I have no idea what match fees, if any, we pay the 2nd XV.
We have very few matches for them this season.
In previous year's our second team has gone to Plymouth and to Jersey. That is a lot of commitment.

I believe the standard RFU employment contract includes a clause making the player a member of the club.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2022 at 16:32
I'm not sure that's correct Camquin but I'll go back and check through the various RFU contracts. And, of course, the majority of players are unpaid and therefore it is essential that they pay the going rate to become members so that there is no ambiguity in the unfortunate event of serious injury
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2022 at 17:20
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Redted Redted wrote:

So Esher, rich club in London, full of 2nd home owners etc got 25% of what they got last season. 
Redruth who are in a deprived area and travel more than any club in the National leagues except perhaps Plymouth got nothing, yes zero.
Apparently we did not meet the criteria.
When we asked where we fell down on the criteria we got no response at all, no answer whatsoever from the RFU.
Perhaps we were short of a sports presenter in our submission.

Typical RFU supporting their favoured London sides.

You do realise that Esher Rugby Club is neither in Esher nor London don't you?

Maybe it was this lack of accuracy that scuppered your application?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2022 at 17:22
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I believe the standard RFU employment contract includes a clause making the player a member of the club.

Correct. All of our[players have membership contracts, even if they don't have to pay. All are covered by RFU Insurance.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bunkermentality Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2022 at 18:03
RFU insurance for players is not linked to membership but applies to any affiliated club. Some membership secretaries peddle the myth that RFU insurance is linked to membership. This is not correct. Extract from policy

"Any player of an Insured Club or Constituent Body or School or Referee Society"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Redted Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2022 at 19:15
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Redted Redted wrote:

So Esher, rich club in London, full of 2nd home owners etc got 25% of what they got last season. 
Redruth who are in a deprived area and travel more than any club in the National leagues except perhaps Plymouth got nothing, yes zero.
Apparently we did not meet the criteria.
When we asked where we fell down on the criteria we got no response at all, no answer whatsoever from the RFU.
Perhaps we were short of a sports presenter in our submission.

Typical RFU supporting their favoured London sides.

You do realise that Esher Rugby Club is neither in Esher nor London don't you?

Maybe it was this lack of accuracy that scuppered your application?

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Well inside the M25, that’s London enough for me. The fact they don’t play in the town they are named after is their concern not mine.
Perhaps only rich clubs who pay their 2nd XV or have contacts in the RFU got funding.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 2022 at 19:49
Redted is as usual getting carried away with his rhetoric. The original point I was making was that our travel distances increased by 20% in National 1 but our funding fell by 70%.

BTW It would be really helpful if people posting on here were required to show their Club allegiance.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2022 at 16:18
Originally posted by Redted Redted wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Redted Redted wrote:

So Esher, rich club in London, full of 2nd home owners etc got 25% of what they got last season. 
Redruth who are in a deprived area and travel more than any club in the National leagues except perhaps Plymouth got nothing, yes zero.
Apparently we did not meet the criteria.
When we asked where we fell down on the criteria we got no response at all, no answer whatsoever from the RFU.
Perhaps we were short of a sports presenter in our submission.

Typical RFU supporting their favoured London sides.

You do realise that Esher Rugby Club is neither in Esher nor London don't you?

Maybe it was this lack of accuracy that scuppered your application?

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Well inside the M25, that’s London enough for me. The fact they don’t play in the town they are named after is their concern not mine.
Perhaps only rich clubs who pay their 2nd XV or have contacts in the RFU got funding.

I suspect your accusations are as accurate as your sense of direction.

Still at least you found the chip shop judging by the large on on your shoulder!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2022 at 16:42
I thought I would watch Brian Moore play.
I found the 1988 England Wales match.


So England have a couple of policemen, a couple of servicemen and at least two medical students. Jonathon Webb is now a specialist knee surgeon, repairing knees ruined by rugby. Kevin Simms is a GP.

Scrums form up quickly, but the front row is still a mess.
However, the ref is quick to penalize pulling down, though it is only a free kick.

Line outs are a lottery, this is before jumping blocks and lifting - so nobody gets off the ground. Neither hooker seems to be able to hit a barn door. Mainly because they throw one-handed with the ball mainly pointing along the touch line, rather than along the line of touch. Also, the lines seem to be set very close together, there is no clear gap. This means they are more like an under 15 line out than anything else.

This does mean that kicking a free kick to touch is worthwhile, you might not get the throw, but you still have a 50/50 chance of gaining the ball.

And of course, no kicking tees, so Wales win a kickable penalty that most fly halves would but send it wide. 

I was surprised how stop start it was, there were a lot of handling errors. Although tackles are low so there are more offloads, it seems there is a law that after the third pass they will knock on.

The ball regularly squirms out of a ruck, probably because the tackler takes his hands to protect his head. This leads to scruffy ball. This means neither side could string phases together.

So apart from the pace, which is hard to judge, it looks much more like lower XV rugby. Though a lot of that is due to the changes in the laws.

I have to admit that when there was still no score at half-time, I lost the will to live and gave up. Apparently, Wales would score two tries in the second half,
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2022 at 17:28
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I thought I would watch Brian Moore play.
I found the 1988 England Wales match.


So England have a couple of policemen, a couple of servicemen and at least two medical students. Jonathon Webb is now a specialist knee surgeon, repairing knees ruined by rugby. Kevin Simms is a GP.

Scrums form up quickly, but the front row is still a mess.
However, the ref is quick to penalize pulling down, though it is only a free kick.

Line outs are a lottery, this is before jumping blocks and lifting - so nobody gets off the ground. Neither hooker seems to be able to hit a barn door. Mainly because they throw one-handed with the ball mainly pointing along the touch line, rather than along the line of touch. Also, the lines seem to be set very close together, there is no clear gap. This means they are more like an under 15 line out than anything else.

This does mean that kicking a free kick to touch is worthwhile, you might not get the throw, but you still have a 50/50 chance of gaining the ball.

And of course, no kicking tees, so Wales win a kickable penalty that most fly halves would but send it wide. 

I was surprised how stop start it was, there were a lot of handling errors. Although tackles are low so there are more offloads, it seems there is a law that after the third pass they will knock on.

The ball regularly squirms out of a ruck, probably because the tackler takes his hands to protect his head. This leads to scruffy ball. This means neither side could string phases together.

So apart from the pace, which is hard to judge, it looks much more like lower XV rugby. Though a lot of that is due to the changes in the laws.

I have to admit that when there was still no score at half-time, I lost the will to live and gave up. Apparently, Wales would score two tries in the second half,
Now if you'd been a forward, you would appreciate that sort of game a lot more, the lineout in particular was a genuine contest, now you are not allowed to touch the player. Scrums were so much better too, hookers should be prosecuted under the trade description act these days, how the hell can you compete for a ball when the scrummie throws in straight(or to be more accurate NOT straight) into the second row.
There seems to be a desire these days to convert rugby union into rugby league, if you don't like lineouts or scrums go to Wembley not Twickenham.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2022 at 18:08
I was neither fast enough to be a back, nor strong enough to be a forward.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2022 at 19:03
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I was neither fast enough to be a back, nor strong enough to be a forward.

Which reminds me of a joke I tell based upon a true story. 

First training session under a new coach. He asks if I'm a back or forward. I reply neither I'm a sub!


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