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FHLH 
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Pedant, moi?
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Steve@Mose
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Posted: 22 Dec 2022 at 17:39 |
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'Shot clock' will be introduced in January to speed up game
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oneagainstthehead
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Posted: 22 Dec 2022 at 18:32 |
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This appears to be a rather alarming outbreak of common sense - surely somebody should do something about this?
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Richard Lowther
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Camquin
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Posted: 22 Dec 2022 at 19:12 |
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What actually reading the law book and possibly applying it. I love the comment on rugbyrefs - do this mean everything else is optional.
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dumbape
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Posted: 22 Dec 2022 at 20:31 |
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Is it too much to ask for a straight put in too?
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What a blessing it would be if we could open and shut our ears as easily as we open and shut our eyes!
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WESTCOMBE RANGER
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Posted: 23 Dec 2022 at 09:27 |
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Will this shot clock be applied at all levels. When I was playing (long ago) we were all rather glad of a decent break.
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workerbee
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Posted: 23 Dec 2022 at 09:58 |
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Some practical problems.
I am sure there will be other examples but I i agree the game needs to be speeded up but if the referees used the powers they already have then there would be no need. Simply penalise the first team that has a huddle and walks to a line out would dramatically have an effect on the game. The same applies to the put into the scrum , penalise the first not straight for both teams at their first scrum and the S/H would know not to do it again. I do feel that the caterpillar rucks need to be addressed: 1. require the rear of a ruck to be two persons. 2. Call the ball out when there is only one foot behind it 3. Call out when the S/H touches the ball with his hands not when he picks it up . Usually the SH puts his hands on the ball then looks where his players and the opposition are before picking it up and the 5 second rule is rarely enforced. There is also an issue with players diving through a ruck and taking players out , enforcing the existing Law of the back foot and sealing off would stop this. Let us hope that common sense will ensure that existing laws are applied without the need for more administrative requirements on the clubs.
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islander
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Posted: 23 Dec 2022 at 12:13 |
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I don't see there'll be a requirement for an actual, physical shot clock at all levels, even if the top tiers get such a thing (they have them in France in the corner of grounds at top 2 levels, sponsored by Tissot). At lower levels I imagine it'll be more a question of the ref advising kicker when the time is ticking, and suitable warnings 10 or 15 secs out.
Can't really see any good reason why you should get 30 seconds longer for a con than a pen... but definitely step in right direction I feel.
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tigerburnie
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Posted: 23 Dec 2022 at 13:23 |
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If they really are serious about speeding up the game get rid of the TMO, all I hear on the ref mic these days is "time off" so they can have a discussion. Get the ref to earn their crust like they used to and it'll shave at least half an hour off the match time.
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Kimbo
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Posted: 23 Dec 2022 at 14:04 |
Absochuffinlutely.
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Posted: 23 Dec 2022 at 14:33 |
I realise many people believe being the Ref is the easiest job on the pitch and they get everything wrong all the time apart from when the decisions go our way, in which case the ref is brilliant. My main worry is that as the laws become more complex and there are an ever increasing number of ways to "speed the game up" being a referee will become an increasingly impossible job. Social media makes it worse, where everyone believes they could do a better job. I think everyone who criticises a referee publicly, should do a ref course and then ref an under 15's game. |
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Posted: 23 Dec 2022 at 16:09 |
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Agreed Jimbo! For most home matches I get to hear the ref Mike and 90% of the time the decisions are given clearly and explained so that the players understand. That doesn’t stop partisan supporters with no ref Mike feed criticising the decisions, after all, they know better and can see more clearly from 40 metres away!
I don’t go to matches with TMOs so can’t comment on them but I can question whether the ARs are giving the referee the support he needs. Twice this season we have cited an opposition player - and that player has been banned - for incidents less than 5m from the AR and neither was given by them. A Nat 1 captain I spoke to said they were a waste of space and we could do as well with the old style Club TJ. When was the last time you saw an AR hold his flag out for foul play?
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Camquin
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Posted: 23 Dec 2022 at 16:46 |
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As the ARs are miked, they should not need to hold out a flag - and they have given decisions in the games I have watched. I would call for bigger secondary signals from all referees. The crowd, those without ref mike, do rely on them to understand what has been given.
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islander wrote: