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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The RFU Business Network hosted a Zoom session on Marketing pre-Christmas which included the Marketing Manager from Northampton Saints. He made the comment that they are actively trying to recruit as spectators the 18-30 age group. They are exactly the same people as grassroots Clubs are trying to recruit as players. Yet another conflict with the Premiership. Rugby always used to be a participation sport but there is now a drive for it to be primarily a spectator sport. Is the pond big enough for both?

Unless there's a by product of people turning to rugby having watched it for the first time .... unintended consequence for Saints

Biased, but I think Saints is an excellently run organisation.

Their engagement with local clubs and kids is superb.
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Biased, but I think Saints is an excellently run organisation.

Their engagement with local clubs and kids is superb.

May be the case now, but as a parent, my experience is thar their approach to children is, at best, poor. 
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I wonder how many of the England U20s squad came through volunteer led community clubs, National Leagues and the Championship? Heaven forbid that the RFU should invest in clubs outside the Premiership!

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https://www.lnr.fr/actualite/top-14-et-pro-d2-les-droits-audiovisuels-attribues-a-canal-pour-les-saisons-20272028-a-20312032

RFU champ funding laughable in comparison.
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Originally posted by rugbychris rugbychris wrote:

https://www.lnr.fr/actualite/top-14-et-pro-d2-les-droits-audiovisuels-attribues-a-canal-pour-les-saisons-20272028-a-20312032

RFU champ funding laughable in comparison.


Yes but..
 

Those are TV rights not funding from the FFR to the clubs.

I read that more people watch Pro D2 than the football equivalent.

Tres bien travaille France! (?)
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This and the news of 4 foreign players being chased by Borthwick on residency grounds. wtf
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Interesting that from this article it looks like French clubs have totally different funding model to English clubs. TV rights and local government make up the bulk. England looks a very sorry state by comparison. I wonder if this is going to translate into French dominance for many years to come. 
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Originally posted by rugbychris rugbychris wrote:

Interesting that from this article it looks like French clubs have totally different funding model to English clubs. TV rights and local government make up the bulk. England looks a very sorry state by comparison. I wonder if this is going to translate into French dominance for many years to come. 

And only 52% permitted on players, 16 French qualified in match day squads plus up to relegation for financial irregularities 
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The RFU Business Network hosted a Zoom session on Marketing pre-Christmas which included the Marketing Manager from Northampton Saints. He made the comment that they are actively trying to recruit as spectators the 18-30 age group. They are exactly the same people as grassroots Clubs are trying to recruit as players. Yet another conflict with the Premiership. Rugby always used to be a participation sport but there is now a drive for it to be primarily a spectator sport. Is the pond big enough for both?

I don’t get it. We put 5 teams out regularly. I gave up at 37 in my prime because the wife reminded me I was self employed and injury would not be acceptable 


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https://www.drfc.co.uk/statement-by-the-championship-clubs/

This has been put on its own thread by kimbo


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Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

https://www.drfc.co.uk/statement-by-the-championship-clubs/

This has been put on its own thread by kimbo
Sorry, didn't notice you'd added it here.
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Cov's Ch Exec Nick Johnston was on local BBC this evening, prompting this tweet from the presenter Carson Wishart:

"The @CoventryRugby chief executive, Nick Johnston, has told me on @BBCCWRSport tonight the club is prepared to  drop down to the national leagues - if it can't reach an agreement with the RFU on Friday over funding and the Tier 1 & 2 structure."

The interview is on BBC Sounds, the relevant part is around 5 minutes starting at 30' 40" via link below. Altho' he does talk of Nat 1, there's also mention of a meeting tomorrow at which the Champ clubs are prepared to compromise and burn the midnight oil in order to get a deal...
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They can’t find 12 clubs from the lower leagues or those that no longer exist who have the stadiums, money and support to a Tier 2 structure they want, so it is in the interests of the RFU to be reasonable.

I would also hope that some Premiership clubs will wake up and also help e.g. Leicester as they have used Nottingham to send players, Saints with Blues, Gloucester with Hartpury, Exeter with Pirates and being a Championship club originally. These clubs trust the Championship to help nurture their future talent and they could lose it all.


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I personally do not believe the ghosts can be revived.

They also seem to think that the aspirational N1 clubs could run a professional side without additional funding - but if they could, I am sure they would already be doing so. 

Given most clubs are looking at a 40-man squad, going from a £5k retainer to a £30k wage is an additional £1m per club. 

And we know the RFU does not have the money to fund that.
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Looking at these sensible comments it's clear that if the Champ clubs stick together they are in a strong bargaining position. The threat from the RFU to relegate every Champ club to Nat 1, if they don't cave in to their unreasonable demands, is pretty ridiculous when you start to think about the knock-on effects it would have on the entire league structure.
As others have said, bringing back failed clubs and trying to find enough clubs with the infrastructure and finances to support a professional squad is never going to work.
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The "punishment" of Championship clubs being relegated to the National League is something that should be welcomed by everyone except the myopic, self-interested almost bankrupt Premiership clubs and the ludicrously out of touch RFU. 
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I'm not sure that it would be 'welcomed' by all the National League clubs in all honesty. 

For example, the cascading or shunting effect down the leagues would see the likes of Oxford Quins, Havant and others in the future deprived of their opportunity to compete in the National League for the very first time, an achievement they would have worked hard for over the years.

Then there is the current full time professional Champ players, coaches and staff. How would their ongoing wages be paid for as sponsorsorship inevitably wanes, along with ticket prices etc realistically having to be lowered as they embark on a new chapter in the semi-pro National League. As has been highlighted before, there is zero chance of the current National 1 clubs becoming fully pro, for a whole plethora of reasons.

There are many ramifications if the Champ clubs are 'punished', but few of them are welcome.
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