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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

 

Definitely not - there are too many foreigners in the Premiership as it is - one reason younger players have to be Loaned/DR to lower league sides to get game time.

It could be time for RFU to look at central contracts for England players - seems to work well for Ireland
Just to put this to bed once and for all, Leinster like the Irish system, Ulster and Munster definitely do not like being treated as second class citizens, no idea about Connacht as they don't have a forum.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by SK 88 SK 88 wrote:

We should also remove England "qualified" player quotas and have more foreigners in the league, who contrary to frankly xenophobic rhetoric are typically cheaper than English players.  This would see the QUALITY of the league increase, which would see the remaining hundreds of English players in the league tested at a higher standard in matches & training and see the quality of the players who actually make the England team increase.

Journeyman pros are incentivised by the current system and absent an injury crisis that takes out the first 15 options in a position doesn't really help anyone.


Definitely not - there are too many foreigners in the Premiership as it is - one reason younger players have to be Loaned/DR to lower league sides to get game time.

It could be time for RFU to look at central contracts for England players - seems to work well for Ireland

Nope, younger players get loaned out because they are not yet of the required quality.  

We have diluted the quality of the league, this has made the England team worse, and people's solutions to improve the national team is to blame the foreigners anyway.

Almost as if they just wanted to blame foreigners for what are problems with the English development system.  Personally I think its a shame that people are so agitated by foreigners that they cannot see the absolutely massive benefits they bring to improving the league, which improves the home grown players, which improves the England national side.  The football team is a case in point, this is the best & most consistently good England football team ever, and the reason it has such a deep well of quality players is because the Premier League has been allowed to focus on quality not arbitrary passport qualifications to appease a vocal minority of people who only care about a persons nationality. 

For rugby our national team's best spell was when we had no quotas on foreigners and when the league was at, relative to other leagues, its strongest ever place.
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This article today in the Guardian looks at the problem from the Clubs' point of view.


I have some sympathy with the DoRs of Clubs with a lot of England players who have to play key League matches that clash with international matches. A structured season would be the best answer but that seems impossible to agree. I have friends who watch Saracens and complain when they don't have Farrell, Itoje and the Vunipolas to watch because they are being watched by me at Twickenham.

Ireland, Scotland and New Zealand went with central contracts early on. France didn't but they seem to structure their season better.

A 10-team Premiership would enable the Clubs to have their England players for all of their matches and would reduce the need to bring in the foreign imports. That said, how you manage your imports is key. Harlequins have set an example here with Lewies, Esterhuizen and Herbst integrating well and helping to develop players around them. Not so impressed with Tommy Allan persuading Dino Lamb to play for Italy, but ...
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In the seven seasons since Johnny Sexton returned to Leinster, he has made 34 starts in the Celtic League/ Pro14/ URC - a high of nine in 2015-16 and just two this year.
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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

In the seven seasons since Johnny Sexton returned to Leinster, he has made 34 starts in the Celtic League/ Pro14/ URC - a high of nine in 2015-16 and just two this year.

No wonder Leinster struggle so much in the domestic league! 
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