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The tripe that started this discussion was written by Gavin Mairs so it really isn't worth taking seriously.
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

The tripe that started this discussion was written by Gavin Mairs so it really isn't worth taking seriously.
I do hope you are correct,  if the 3 clubs in question wish to start up again they can start at he bottom of the ladder.
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The Championship (or Prem 2) does not need 'brands' like Worcester and Wasps. What it needs is some rugby clubs that run with financial competence complete with a ground, some coaches, players and support staff. That, along with some fervent supporters and a beer tent with fine hand-drawn ales, is all that is needed. Bish, bash, bosh.
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Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

The tripe that started this discussion was written by Gavin Mairs so it really isn't worth taking seriously.
I do hope you are correct,  if the 3 clubs in question wish to start up again they can start at he bottom of the ladder.

Totally agree but not worth worrying about until a more credible source reports it.
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Originally posted by Greg Greg wrote:

The Championship (or Prem 2) does not need 'brands' like Worcester and Wasps. What it needs is some rugby clubs that run with financial competence complete with a ground, some coaches, players and support staff. That, along with some fervent supporters and a beer tent with fine hand-drawn ales, is all that is needed. Bish, bash, bosh.

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I posted something similar to the following on the Pirates SN site:
Looking at this in black and white, (stoopid, I know), can we really expect to see 3 teams, 2 without a ground, all with no players, coaches or support staff, nor a financial backer.  Not having played a game of competitive rugby for at least 1 season, to come along at the begining of 24/25 or even 25/26 season and say: "Hi, we're the new Wasps/Warriors/Irish and we're here to brighten up your Prem 2 league.  Oh, and by the way 3 of you must drop down to the lower league to make room for us, 3 from that league must also drop, and so on down the pyramid."
I don't think the RFU/PRL would have the money or wherewithall nor backbone to defend a joint action that would undobtedly be taken by quite a few clubs.
Realstically I can't see it happening, so it probably wil!
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Forgive me for trying to look onto the Minds of the RFU (Difficult I know) but there could be a perverse logic coming out which is:-
  1.  Prem 2 is a "New League"
  2. All clubs can apply to join based on the following criteria;
  3. their ground capacity.
  4. Their brand name will bring in good sponsorship.
  5. They have a large support
  6. They have a large internet footprint.
  7. They have a 10 year plan 
Only clubs with the the above can apply. The championship will remain but will at level 3 in the pyramid as the top of the community game with no financial support. Nat 1 becomes level 4 and split into two leagues.



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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

Forgive me for trying to look onto the Minds of the RFU (Difficult I know) but there could be a perverse logic coming out which is:-
  1.  Prem 2 is a "New League"
  2. All clubs can apply to join based on the following criteria;
  3. their ground capacity.
  4. Their brand name will bring in good sponsorship.
  5. They have a large support
  6. They have a large internet footprint.
  7. They have a 10 year plan 
Only clubs with the the above can apply.


In other words the plan for Rugby League.
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Forgive me for trying to look onto the Minds of the RFU (Difficult I know) but there could be a perverse logic coming out which is:-
  1.  Prem 2 is a "New League"
  2. All clubs can apply to join based on the following criteria;
  3. their ground capacity.
  4. Their brand name will bring in good sponsorship.
  5. They have a large support
  6. They have a large internet footprint.
  7. They have a 10 year plan 
Only clubs with the the above can apply. The championship will remain but will at level 3 in the pyramid as the top of the community game with no financial support. Nat 1 becomes level 4 and split into two leagues.

You make a good point Workerbee.

Some things there will need definition for sure:  Ground capacity: seating, standing, combined?
Brand name:  I presume you mean a National sponsor who may well be familiar with the likes of Wasps, Warriors, Irish.  What about the rest of us local yokels, "The Cornish what?, Ealing who? and yes I know where Jersey is, but it's not in England, is it?" etc. etc.  Apart from the three obvious there are just not enough well known names below the Prem to attract a big sponsor, unless one is willing to cover both Prem 1 & 2?
They have large support: Coventry and Bedford probably tick that box.
Internet footprint:  How is that even measured?
10 year plan:  I hope that applies to prem 1 as well because reading that could be a giggle.
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IN which case, what would stop Manchester United or Chelsea applying?
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

IN which case, what would stop Manchester United or Chelsea applying?

Regional - more likely Aston Villa than Manchester Pig

and Racing for the Jersey franchise - Rennes, Roazhon Park 30 000 seats 


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Possibly why not Manchester Warriors, Chelsea Wasps or Fulham Irish
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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

Possibly why not Manchester Warriors, Chelsea Wasps or Fulham Irish

Certainly have some competition issues in M'cr, Sale Sharks, Sale FC top of Level 3, Sedgely Park looking to get back into the Championship having been culled last reorganisation.

Lots of toes to tread on in the name of progress.
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Progress or futility?? 
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

IN which case, what would stop Manchester United or Chelsea applying?

Common sense?
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Took my 8 year old on a stadium tour at hazelnutnal as part of his birthday and although the tour is quite reasonably priced at £25 & 20 it’s the merchandising that gets you in the shop and it was absolutely heaving. I bought a shirt and after putting the name and number it was £108 and £28 for shorts, now as a one off it’s bad but what was surprising was the amount of parents with 2,3 even 4 shirts. In our group of 4 we spent close to £450 and we were by no means big spenders looking at others. The money they must be turning over makes your eyes water and unfortunately I don’t think we in rugby would come anywhere close hence the desire (not from me) for big name franchises
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Buy them in China before they are shipped over, probably only a few pence there judging by the average quality
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Originally posted by Geoff DC Geoff DC wrote:

Buy them in China before they are shipped over, probably only a few pence there judging by the average quality

£8 allegedly
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Originally posted by Geoff DC Geoff DC wrote:

Buy them in China before they are shipped over, probably only a few pence there judging by the average quality
To be fair, the Hummel Coventry City ones are much praised by the fans.
Not all Chinese-made stuff is tat.
Priced for profit, agreed.
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