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These laws seem to change depending on the direction of the wind. Surely if you decide to play for Canada that is it. 
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Qualification should stop with passport held. End. None of this grandmother lark.
My kids have two passports (dual nationals), I have friends with three, Dual nationals due to parents and one due to place of birth. Never as easy as you think. Especially in countries with more porous borders and large migrant populations, nationality isn't always that simple.
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Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Qualification should stop with passport held. End. None of this grandmother lark.
My kids have two passports (dual nationals), I have friends with three, Dual nationals due to parents and one due to place of birth. Never as easy as you think. Especially in countries with more porous borders and large migrant populations, nationality isn't always that simple.

Very true it isn't but in my opinion once you reach eighteen and you have played for one country (irrespective of sport) then that's it. In my experience most folks with dual nationalities/qualifications know which is "their country" the country they feel most allegiance to and you should play for your country and not someone else's.
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Qualification should stop with passport held. End. None of this grandmother lark.
My kids have two passports (dual nationals), I have friends with three, Dual nationals due to parents and one due to place of birth. Never as easy as you think. Especially in countries with more porous borders and large migrant populations, nationality isn't always that simple.

Very true it isn't but in my opinion once you reach eighteen and you have played for one country (irrespective of sport) then that's it. In my experience most folks with dual nationalities/qualifications know which is "their country" the country they feel most allegiance to and you should play for your country and not someone else's.

"their country"? My kids would disagree. They see both as their country. What you're suggesting is an easy fix with someone who has no ties to another country. But, that's not the case for all people. For example, my kids support one country for one sport, but another for other sports. It's because they feel part of both countries. You are allowed to have an allegiance to two countries, unless there's some weird rule I've not come across? 
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The 3 year rule was introduced mainly to prevent the myriads of South Sea islanders from being unable to play for the nation of their birth (or heritage) after bee given 1 or 2 tests by New Zealand or Australia then discarded.

A cynic would suggest that this approach was to ensure they didn't play against NZ or Aus
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I have some sympathy with the sentiments behind the passport comment but it falls down before you get to dual nationals and those with more than one passport. 

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Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Qualification should stop with passport held. End. None of this grandmother lark.
My kids have two passports (dual nationals), I have friends with three, Dual nationals due to parents and one due to place of birth. Never as easy as you think. Especially in countries with more porous borders and large migrant populations, nationality isn't always that simple.

Very true it isn't but in my opinion once you reach eighteen and you have played for one country (irrespective of sport) then that's it. In my experience most folks with dual nationalities/qualifications know which is "their country" the country they feel most allegiance to and you should play for your country and not someone else's.

"their country"? My kids would disagree. They see both as their country. What you're suggesting is an easy fix with someone who has no ties to another country. But, that's not the case for all people. For example, my kids support one country for one sport, but another for other sports. It's because they feel part of both countries. You are allowed to have an allegiance to two countries, unless there's some weird rule I've not come across? 

Let's not be silly.
 
I didn't say you couldn't have an allegiance to multiple countries I said that in my experience people in that situation (and I am one) have more of an allegiance to one country.   

And supporting countries is hugely different from playing for a country.
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

And supporting countries is hugely different from playing for a country.

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I cannot support the idea of playing for multiple countries throughout your playing career - but then players are a business commodity and seek the highest return, which is sad, but then I'm from a different era when playing for your country was an honour rather than a means to an end





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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

And supporting countries is hugely different from playing for a country.

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I cannot support the idea of playing for multiple countries throughout your playing career - but then players are a business commodity and seek the highest return, which is sad, but then I'm from a different era when playing for your country was an honour rather than a means to an end




You and me both FHLH!

I remember the story the late Emlyn Hughes told about Don Revie just after he became England manager. He called the players together for an urgent meeting. Anticipating some news about Revie's plans, tactics and so on the players eagerly attended to hear Revie tell them that he had some very important news - he had negotiated a small increase in their appearance money. Hughes said he and Alan Ball looked at each other and shook their heads. Revie didn't realise that we would have paid them to play Hughes said.

(Years later of course we learnt that Revie would have probably taken the money from them had he known!). 
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