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BE57 REF ![]() First XV squad ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Apr 2012 Location: In the middle Status: Offline Points: 36 |
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With Leeds winning on Friday and Blackburn losing again today, it looks as though there may be no North relegation out of Nat 1 and no North/Midland best 3rd place promotion from L5, which may mean that both Chester and Sheffield could be reprieved and be in N2 North next season. Leeds (or Blackheath/Plymouth?) still have work to do for the N1 relegation slot to be confirmed - but is that it? Is there anything else to factor in?
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Just call me "Sir".
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cheshire exile ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Status: Offline Points: 2602 |
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Plymouth Albion cannot be caught. One of DMP, Leeds or Blackheath will go down.
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4536 |
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Not sure DMP can go down either, Blackheath can only equal DMP's 54 points but DMP have won 3 more games so would be above Blackheath if they were level on points. So it is down to Leeds or Blackheath with Leeds needing 4 points from 2 games - Taunton (a) and Cinderford (h) to be safe assuming Blackheath get 5 points from their remaining game at Cinderford. |
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 12002 |
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Blackheath cannot catch DMP, they are five points behind with three fewer wins. Even if they get a bonus point win against Cinderford and DMP get no points, they would be ahead on games won. North Walsham clinched the second-best third place position. I think Chester might yet play in the "Northern" league - I am not sure what they are actually calling it. My best guess ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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FHLH ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Cambridge Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 5572 |
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I hadn't twigged we'd have 8 weeks off! What will I do if there's no rugby to watch? 😱
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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kempstonblue ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2020 Location: Kempston Status: Offline Points: 551 |
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8 weeks off?
I kind of get the reduction in league sizes, as it was claimed lower down the leagues teams were going through a lot of players, But sadly for clubs in National one and two it is 2 less home matches a season. Looking at attendance’s up to 1,000 less admissions a season. On the other hand, some clubs in National 2 might see more clubs being closer and increased gates for those matches. National 1 is going to be hit worse, and should have remained 16 teams.
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The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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marigold ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 2019 Location: Eltham Status: Offline Points: 430 |
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'National 1 is going to be hit worse, and should have remained 16 teams.'
Kempston 30 league matches at Nat 1 and 2 has been brutal for players, coaches, medics , and managers. The vast majority of d of r/ head coaches voted for a reduction. If there is a reduction in spectators/income clubs will have to pay the players less. No other country asks players at this level where the majority have full time jobs outside of rugby to play 30 league matches plus 2 or 3 pre season matches and train for 10 months of the year-and then wonder why players leave the game early.
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Online Points: 7871 |
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agree Marigold
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Halliford ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4309 |
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And the reduction to 14 team Leagues at National 1 and National 2 should result in better rugby from refreshed, fit teams as well as fewer mismatches.
Fewer matches simply means maximising our income over fewer weeks. I don’t see our income dropping, hopefully we will get bigger gates at the 13 games and we will have 1 extra commercial letting week.
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kingsheathlad ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: Alcester Status: Offline Points: 3429 |
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Halliford.
Does that mean for National 1 next season, that teams top of National 2 N & S are promoted, no play off between those in 2nd place.
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Cauliflower ear.
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 12002 |
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Yes, just one up from each Nat 2 league. No play-off. Hull have secured the Northern title.
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4536 |
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Not sure how no relegation and 3 promoted teams in each of N2SE and N2SW is likely to mean fewer mismatches? IMO it is likely to mean more. |
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Thunderbird ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2013 Location: East Anglia Status: Offline Points: 171 |
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So at present we have three promoted teams at the bottom of Nat 2S. Two of which should have been demoted. Next season three more teams from level 5 get promoted, so with the league being reduced to 14 teams that mean in reality there will be 6 teams who are going to struggle . 14 teams 8 of which are established at level 4 . Leaving 6 who historically struggle. The last full season of 16 teams only had 2/3 from level 5.
So it's pretty obvious that mismatches are going to happen. Seems to me that this is designed to make it easier make the jump from level 4 to 5.
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Halliford ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4309 |
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It may do initially but I would expect standards to even out over time. I think I'm really looking up rather than down, though, as I review what I wrote!
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 12002 |
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There is a similar drop in quality at level 5, 6 and 7 - each of those leagues loses its three strongest teams and keeps the three that would be demoted and gains three or four from the leagues below and is shuffled into a new configuration.
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Halliford ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4309 |
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Good point, Camquin. I remember when this was discussed in Surrey it was the ambitious Level 5-7 Clubs that wanted it because they saw quick promotion opportunities. There is a post on one of the Championship threads which talks about the gates you get, making the point that the better the opposition the better the gate, that will work against those Club, I expect.
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Neasham ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 09 May 2014 Location: County Durham Status: Offline Points: 474 |
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I noted with interest some rare praise from Stephen Jones in the Sunday Times when he said that the RFU was doing a good job with what I call club rugby, but now seems to be called community rugby.
I am not sure how that equates with a club with which I have some connection. Stockton rugby club is still celebrating its promotion from Durham Northumberland One to this new level 6. Well done to coaches and players. However it now appears that next season they will have cross country trips to Aspatria, Penrith and Keswick all requiring Bus hire of approx £1,000 a time (Diesel has gone up). At the same time their number of games has been reduced from 26 to 22 meaning two less home games to bring in much needed revenue. However, the RFU had got itself out of paying travel subsidy so no doubt that all at Twickenham think this master plan is wonderful. Grass roots need nurturing not cutting off. Mr Jones take note.
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WEvans ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1456 |
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Stephen Jones is a total dinosaur totally out of touch with rugby today. He spends most of his time writing what Nigel Wray tells him.
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Front Jumper ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 2011 Status: Offline Points: 353 |
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Hi guys I was asked a question that I couldnt answer - with the restructuring of the mens leagues is the womens game undergoing the same sort of restructuring Does anyone know?
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