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With Leeds winning on Friday and Blackburn losing again today, it looks as though there may be no North relegation out of Nat 1 and no North/Midland best 3rd place promotion from L5, which may mean that both Chester and Sheffield could be reprieved and be in N2 North next season. Leeds (or Blackheath/Plymouth?) still have work to do for the N1 relegation slot to be confirmed - but is that it? Is there anything else to factor in?
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Plymouth Albion cannot be caught. One of DMP, Leeds or Blackheath will go down. 
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Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Plymouth Albion cannot be caught. One of DMP, Leeds or Blackheath will go down. 


Not sure DMP can go down either, Blackheath can only equal DMP's 54 points but DMP have won 3 more games so would be above Blackheath if they were level on points.

So it is down to Leeds or Blackheath with Leeds needing 4 points from 2 games - Taunton (a) and Cinderford (h) to be safe assuming Blackheath get 5 points from their remaining game at Cinderford.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Apr 2022 at 22:40
Blackheath cannot catch DMP, they are five points behind with three fewer wins.
Even if they get a bonus point win against Cinderford and DMP get no points, they would be ahead on games won.

North Walsham clinched the second-best third place position.

I think Chester might yet play in the "Northern" league - I am not sure what they are actually calling it.

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I hadn't twigged we'd have 8 weeks off! What will I do if there's no rugby to watch? 😱
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8 weeks off?

I kind of get the reduction in league sizes, as it was claimed lower down the leagues teams were going through a lot of players, 
But sadly for clubs in National one and two it is 2 less home matches a season. Looking at attendance’s up to 1,000 less admissions a season.

On the other hand, some clubs in National 2 might see more clubs being closer and increased gates for those matches.

National 1 is going to be hit worse, and should have remained 16 teams.
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'National 1 is going to be hit worse, and should have remained 16 teams.'

Kempston 30 league matches at Nat 1 and 2 has been brutal for players, coaches, medics , and managers. The vast majority of d of r/ head coaches voted for a reduction. If there is a reduction in spectators/income  clubs will have to pay the players less. No other country asks players at this level where the majority have full time jobs outside of rugby to play 30 league matches plus 2 or 3 pre season matches and train for 10 months of the year-and then wonder why players leave the game early.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 2022 at 09:15
Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

'National 1 is going to be hit worse, and should have remained 16 teams.'

Kempston 30 league matches at Nat 1 and 2 has been brutal for players, coaches, medics , and managers. The vast majority of d of r/ head coaches voted for a reduction. If there is a reduction in spectators/income  clubs will have to pay the players less. No other country asks players at this level where the majority have full time jobs outside of rugby to play 30 league matches plus 2 or 3 pre season matches and train for 10 months of the year-and then wonder why players leave the game early.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 2022 at 09:50
And the reduction to 14 team Leagues at National 1 and National 2 should result in better rugby from refreshed, fit teams as well as fewer mismatches.

Fewer matches simply means maximising our income over fewer weeks. I don’t see our income dropping, hopefully we will get bigger gates at the 13 games and we will have 1 extra commercial letting week.
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Halliford.
Does that mean for National 1 next season, that teams top of National 2 N & S are promoted, no play off between those in 2nd place. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 2022 at 10:53
Yes, just one up from each Nat 2 league. No play-off.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 2022 at 19:06
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

And the reduction to 14 team Leagues at National 1 and National 2 should result in better rugby from refreshed, fit teams as well as fewer mismatches.

Fewer matches simply means maximising our income over fewer weeks. I don’t see our income dropping, hopefully we will get bigger gates at the 13 games and we will have 1 extra commercial letting week.
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Not sure how no relegation and 3 promoted teams in each of N2SE and N2SW is likely to mean fewer mismatches? IMO it is likely to mean more.
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So at present we have three promoted teams at the bottom of Nat 2S. Two  of which should have been demoted. Next season three more teams from level 5 get promoted, so with the league being reduced to 14 teams that mean in reality there will be 6 teams who are going to struggle . 14 teams 8 of which are established at level 4 . Leaving 6 who historically struggle. The last full season of 16 teams only had 2/3 from level 5. 
So it's pretty obvious that mismatches are going to happen. 
Seems to me that this is designed to make it easier make the jump from level 4 to 5.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 2022 at 15:05
It may do initially but I would expect standards to even out over time. I think I'm really looking up rather than down, though, as I review what I wrote!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 2022 at 15:58
There is a similar drop in quality at level 5, 6 and 7 - each of those leagues loses its three strongest teams and keeps the three that would be demoted and gains three or four from the leagues below and is shuffled into a new configuration.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 2022 at 16:44
Good point, Camquin. I remember when this was discussed in Surrey it was the ambitious Level 5-7 Clubs that wanted it because they saw quick promotion opportunities. There is a post on one of the Championship threads which talks about the gates you get, making the point that the better the opposition the better the gate, that will work against those Club, I expect.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Neasham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 2022 at 11:56
I noted with interest some rare praise from Stephen Jones in the Sunday Times when he said that the RFU was doing a good job with what I call club rugby, but now seems to be called community rugby. 
I am not sure how that equates with a club with which I have some connection.
Stockton rugby club is still celebrating its promotion from Durham Northumberland One to this new level 6. Well done to coaches and players.
However it now appears that next season they will have cross country trips to Aspatria, Penrith and Keswick all requiring Bus hire of approx £1,000 a time (Diesel has gone up).
At the same time their number of games has been reduced from 26 to 22 meaning two less home games to bring in much needed revenue.
However,  the RFU had got itself out of paying travel subsidy so no doubt that all at Twickenham think this master plan is wonderful. Grass roots need nurturing not cutting off. Mr Jones take note. 
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Originally posted by Neasham Neasham wrote:

I noted with interest some rare praise from Stephen Jones in the Sunday Times when he said that the RFU was doing a good job with what I call club rugby, but now seems to be called community rugby. 
I am not sure how that equates with a club with which I have some connection.
Stockton rugby club is still celebrating its promotion from Durham Northumberland One to this new level 6. Well done to coaches and players.
However it now appears that next season they will have cross country trips to Aspatria, Penrith and Keswick all requiring Bus hire of approx £1,000 a time (Diesel has gone up).
At the same time their number of games has been reduced from 26 to 22 meaning two less home games to bring in much needed revenue.
However,  the RFU had got itself out of paying travel subsidy so no doubt that all at Twickenham think this master plan is wonderful. Grass roots need nurturing not cutting off. Mr Jones take note. 

Stephen Jones is a total dinosaur totally out of touch with rugby today. He spends most of his time writing what Nigel Wray tells him.
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Hi guys I was asked a question that I couldnt answer - with the restructuring of the mens leagues is the  womens game undergoing the same sort of restructuring Does anyone know?
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