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Points: 71 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RobC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2025 at 07:14
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by TeflonTed TeflonTed wrote:

Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

That’s entirely balanced and reasonable. What is disappointing is one or two other “supporters “ suggesting we should all be grateful because you’re back, given that we’re small town hicks without your facilities and alleged serried ranks of fans coming to boost our local economies.

Thank you. I hope I haven’t added to any smugness that we have a premier standard stadium and infrastructure, it was clearly a factor in attracting our new owners. I’ve enjoyed a recent visit to your place, proper stadium and a proper welcome. We will reciprocate in similar manner.

I do have on file the ludicrous statement by covkid1953 insisting that Wuss’s presence in T2 won’t increase spectator numbers.

I also have his equally ludicrous previous statement that HMRC have “first dibs” on all remains assets.

I’m not expecting an apology for either piece of nonsense.
Well, you WILL keep engaging with him.
Just to confirm, much as he might think otherwise, covkid1953 does not represent the thoughts and views of Coventry Rugby club, or the entirety of it's supporters.
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Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by TeflonTed TeflonTed wrote:

I think it’s worth trying to simplify this for anyone who hasn’t been following the saga.

As far as I’m aware, no Worcester supporter has ever claimed that we’re paying off all creditors. We have agreed, as demanded by RFU, to pay off “rugby creditors” a concept created by the RFU which has absolutely no meaning in law whatsoever. The new owners have agreed to fund this, if you want to play in an RFU league you have to follow RFU rules. 

The payments to RC’s are scheduled with the RFU’s agreement, and I don’t expect that schedule to be made public. The list of ALL creditors was published by Administrators as required by law, and one can read this and have a decent guess about those within it who might be RC’s. Remember these creditors were left unpaid by the previous long departed useless owners. The new owners could easily have decided not to pay them, and then we would have started from the bottom. 

As often when businesses go bust, unsecured creditors will get nothing. 

As a lifelong rugby supporter I understand exactly why some are outraged that Wuss are not starting from the bottom, and quote other failed clubs to support that outrage. But the simple fact is that no previous collapsed club has ever paid anyone anything, including Cov, so the situation is unique, and comes about only because the RFU invented Rugby Creditors, and because Wuss infrastructure attracted new money from new owners who are willing and able to comply with the RFU’s scheme.

Don’t take it out on the supporters please. A lot of us are local, know unsecured creditors, and believe me we’re not crowing about how it has all worked out.

I hate to suck the wind out of your sails, but the term “rugby creditors” is not something new or even relatively new. It’s been in the RFU regulations for over a decade. So let’s not all be deflected with this concept that Worcester are using something that is all very recent or new. 

What other defaulter clubs never had, even if they had agreed to pay off their “rugby creditors” was a free entry pass into Tier 2. It’s no wonder there is so much animosity directed towards Worcester as the RFU have just changed the rules to “resurrect” one on the Cartel clubs to make up the numbers in the failing Premiership, which cannot survive with only 10 teams. 

Exactly right and no matter how much re-invention of history occurs that remains the case.

It stinks and the smell will sadly spread to the decent clubs in this new invitational league.
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Points: 10 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ROLLO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4 hours 14 minutes ago at 19:50
So do you blame the RFU and PRL for their lack of supervision, or Worcester for taking an opportunity to provide employment for players, coaches and backroom staff who may otherwise not be emplyed in a sport they have trained for? Also with expanding the business giving empolyment to many others and buiness opportunties to local firms. And not lesat a club to support that was taken away from supporters in a scandalous manner through no fault of theirs.
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Originally posted by ROLLO ROLLO wrote:

So do you blame the RFU and PRL for their lack of supervision, or Worcester for taking an opportunity to provide employment for players, coaches and backroom staff who may otherwise not be emplyed in a sport they have trained for? Also with expanding the business giving empolyment to many others and buiness opportunties to local firms. And not lesat a club to support that was taken away from supporters in a scandalous manner through no fault of theirs.

Yes the RFU allowed the defaulters to run up £30 million of debt, so something went seriously wrong with their supervision. 

I presume the defaulters will be paying HMRC the correct amount of employment taxes, however many people they are employing this time, rather than running up a £6 million debt in tax liabilities. 

If I was HMRC I would be all over the defaulters like a rash to ensure we do not end up with a repeat performance. 
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I don't have a problem with Wuss as a club or their supporters, but I would be very worried about the bloke who is running the show, I would not want him anywhere near my club.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

I don't have a problem with Wuss as a club or their supporters, but I would be very worried about the bloke who is running the show, I would not want him anywhere near my club.

Do you refer to Chris Holland or Matt Everard? 

Just want to understand which varietal of sour grapes is involved here.
TeflonTed, 2 miles from Sixways
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I absolutely do not blame the new owners for the behaviour of their predecessors, but for me the finger points at the RFU (surprise) and Premiership Rugby; the latter have made it clear that 10 clubs are not enough for a viable league and the yellow brick road for a revived club with great facilities is being swept clean.
For old buffoons like me who believed in genuine clubs rather than corporate constructs, it’s very sad, especially when we’re losing players to the new corporate entity.
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