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    Posted: 28 May 2025 at 22:06
I absolutely do not blame the new owners for the behaviour of their predecessors, but for me the finger points at the RFU (surprise) and Premiership Rugby; the latter have made it clear that 10 clubs are not enough for a viable league and the yellow brick road for a revived club with great facilities is being swept clean.
For old buffoons like me who believed in genuine clubs rather than corporate constructs, it’s very sad, especially when we’re losing players to the new corporate entity.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

I don't have a problem with Wuss as a club or their supporters, but I would be very worried about the bloke who is running the show, I would not want him anywhere near my club.

Do you refer to Chris Holland or Matt Everard? 

Just want to understand which varietal of sour grapes is involved here.
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I don't have a problem with Wuss as a club or their supporters, but I would be very worried about the bloke who is running the show, I would not want him anywhere near my club.
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Originally posted by ROLLO ROLLO wrote:

So do you blame the RFU and PRL for their lack of supervision, or Worcester for taking an opportunity to provide employment for players, coaches and backroom staff who may otherwise not be emplyed in a sport they have trained for? Also with expanding the business giving empolyment to many others and buiness opportunties to local firms. And not lesat a club to support that was taken away from supporters in a scandalous manner through no fault of theirs.

Yes the RFU allowed the defaulters to run up £30 million of debt, so something went seriously wrong with their supervision. 

I presume the defaulters will be paying HMRC the correct amount of employment taxes, however many people they are employing this time, rather than running up a £6 million debt in tax liabilities. 

If I was HMRC I would be all over the defaulters like a rash to ensure we do not end up with a repeat performance. 
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So do you blame the RFU and PRL for their lack of supervision, or Worcester for taking an opportunity to provide employment for players, coaches and backroom staff who may otherwise not be emplyed in a sport they have trained for? Also with expanding the business giving empolyment to many others and buiness opportunties to local firms. And not lesat a club to support that was taken away from supporters in a scandalous manner through no fault of theirs.
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Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by TeflonTed TeflonTed wrote:

I think it’s worth trying to simplify this for anyone who hasn’t been following the saga.

As far as I’m aware, no Worcester supporter has ever claimed that we’re paying off all creditors. We have agreed, as demanded by RFU, to pay off “rugby creditors” a concept created by the RFU which has absolutely no meaning in law whatsoever. The new owners have agreed to fund this, if you want to play in an RFU league you have to follow RFU rules. 

The payments to RC’s are scheduled with the RFU’s agreement, and I don’t expect that schedule to be made public. The list of ALL creditors was published by Administrators as required by law, and one can read this and have a decent guess about those within it who might be RC’s. Remember these creditors were left unpaid by the previous long departed useless owners. The new owners could easily have decided not to pay them, and then we would have started from the bottom. 

As often when businesses go bust, unsecured creditors will get nothing. 

As a lifelong rugby supporter I understand exactly why some are outraged that Wuss are not starting from the bottom, and quote other failed clubs to support that outrage. But the simple fact is that no previous collapsed club has ever paid anyone anything, including Cov, so the situation is unique, and comes about only because the RFU invented Rugby Creditors, and because Wuss infrastructure attracted new money from new owners who are willing and able to comply with the RFU’s scheme.

Don’t take it out on the supporters please. A lot of us are local, know unsecured creditors, and believe me we’re not crowing about how it has all worked out.

I hate to suck the wind out of your sails, but the term “rugby creditors” is not something new or even relatively new. It’s been in the RFU regulations for over a decade. So let’s not all be deflected with this concept that Worcester are using something that is all very recent or new. 

What other defaulter clubs never had, even if they had agreed to pay off their “rugby creditors” was a free entry pass into Tier 2. It’s no wonder there is so much animosity directed towards Worcester as the RFU have just changed the rules to “resurrect” one on the Cartel clubs to make up the numbers in the failing Premiership, which cannot survive with only 10 teams. 

Exactly right and no matter how much re-invention of history occurs that remains the case.

It stinks and the smell will sadly spread to the decent clubs in this new invitational league.
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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by TeflonTed TeflonTed wrote:

Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

That’s entirely balanced and reasonable. What is disappointing is one or two other “supporters “ suggesting we should all be grateful because you’re back, given that we’re small town hicks without your facilities and alleged serried ranks of fans coming to boost our local economies.

Thank you. I hope I haven’t added to any smugness that we have a premier standard stadium and infrastructure, it was clearly a factor in attracting our new owners. I’ve enjoyed a recent visit to your place, proper stadium and a proper welcome. We will reciprocate in similar manner.

I do have on file the ludicrous statement by covkid1953 insisting that Wuss’s presence in T2 won’t increase spectator numbers.

I also have his equally ludicrous previous statement that HMRC have “first dibs” on all remains assets.

I’m not expecting an apology for either piece of nonsense.
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Just to confirm, much as he might think otherwise, covkid1953 does not represent the thoughts and views of Coventry Rugby club, or the entirety of it's supporters.
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Originally posted by TeflonTed TeflonTed wrote:

Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

That’s entirely balanced and reasonable. What is disappointing is one or two other “supporters “ suggesting we should all be grateful because you’re back, given that we’re small town hicks without your facilities and alleged serried ranks of fans coming to boost our local economies.

Thank you. I hope I haven’t added to any smugness that we have a premier standard stadium and infrastructure, it was clearly a factor in attracting our new owners. I’ve enjoyed a recent visit to your place, proper stadium and a proper welcome. We will reciprocate in similar manner.

I do have on file the ludicrous statement by covkid1953 insisting that Wuss’s presence in T2 won’t increase spectator numbers.

I also have his equally ludicrous previous statement that HMRC have “first dibs” on all remains assets.

I’m not expecting an apology for either piece of nonsense.
Well, you WILL keep engaging with him.
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Well summed up ES. I’m sure the supporters of all clubs will thaw once you taken on most of their better players and left them worse off Wink 

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Originally posted by TeflonTed TeflonTed wrote:

I think it’s worth trying to simplify this for anyone who hasn’t been following the saga.

As far as I’m aware, no Worcester supporter has ever claimed that we’re paying off all creditors. We have agreed, as demanded by RFU, to pay off “rugby creditors” a concept created by the RFU which has absolutely no meaning in law whatsoever. The new owners have agreed to fund this, if you want to play in an RFU league you have to follow RFU rules. 

The payments to RC’s are scheduled with the RFU’s agreement, and I don’t expect that schedule to be made public. The list of ALL creditors was published by Administrators as required by law, and one can read this and have a decent guess about those within it who might be RC’s. Remember these creditors were left unpaid by the previous long departed useless owners. The new owners could easily have decided not to pay them, and then we would have started from the bottom. 

As often when businesses go bust, unsecured creditors will get nothing. 

As a lifelong rugby supporter I understand exactly why some are outraged that Wuss are not starting from the bottom, and quote other failed clubs to support that outrage. But the simple fact is that no previous collapsed club has ever paid anyone anything, including Cov, so the situation is unique, and comes about only because the RFU invented Rugby Creditors, and because Wuss infrastructure attracted new money from new owners who are willing and able to comply with the RFU’s scheme.

Don’t take it out on the supporters please. A lot of us are local, know unsecured creditors, and believe me we’re not crowing about how it has all worked out.

I hate to suck the wind out of your sails, but the term “rugby creditors” is not something new or even relatively new. It’s been in the RFU regulations for over a decade. So let’s not all be deflected with this concept that Worcester are using something that is all very recent or new. 

What other defaulter clubs never had, even if they had agreed to pay off their “rugby creditors” was a free entry pass into Tier 2. It’s no wonder there is so much animosity directed towards Worcester as the RFU have just changed the rules to “resurrect” one on the Cartel clubs to make up the numbers in the failing Premiership, which cannot survive with only 10 teams. 


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Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

That’s entirely balanced and reasonable. What is disappointing is one or two other “supporters “ suggesting we should all be grateful because you’re back, given that we’re small town hicks without your facilities and alleged serried ranks of fans coming to boost our local economies.

Thank you. I hope I haven’t added to any smugness that we have a premier standard stadium and infrastructure, it was clearly a factor in attracting our new owners. I’ve enjoyed a recent visit to your place, proper stadium and a proper welcome. We will reciprocate in similar manner.

I do have on file the ludicrous statement by covkid1953 insisting that Wuss’s presence in T2 won’t increase spectator numbers.

I also have his equally ludicrous previous statement that HMRC have “first dibs” on all remains assets.

I’m not expecting an apology for either piece of nonsense.
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Cheshire Exile if you are refereing to my post then I apologise if you have taken it the way you have, that was not my intention espcially as I am a new poster to this site.
To be clear I am not expecting anyone to be grateful for the reamurgence of Warriors. What I would hope is that in seeking to grow the game of rugby union , which has been much debated , there would be an  acceptance that we will be a positive help in this quest. We will I trust approach the league with a humbleness of spirit, seeking to play attractive rugby that supporters will want to watch. I would hope that visisting supporters will like the facilites that Sixways brings, that you will recieve a warm welcome and make new or renew rugby friendships. Likewise I hope that when we vsisit that  the same will happen and that you can benefit from any extra revenue.
I don't apaolgise for thinking that it is a good thing that folk who thought they would get nothing are to be paid , or that we will be offereing employment to some who would not have any or would be in a  field not of their first sporting choice , this plus other employment opportunities is a big tick in my book.
Lastly we do not expect to walk the league, I along with many of my  fellow supporters will be happy with a year or two of consoldiation. We will I hope   treat defeat with graciousness and victory with magnanimity.
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That’s entirely balanced and reasonable. What is disappointing is one or two other “supporters “ suggesting we should all be grateful because you’re back, given that we’re small town hicks without your facilities and alleged serried ranks of fans coming to boost our local economies.
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I think it’s worth trying to simplify this for anyone who hasn’t been following the saga.

As far as I’m aware, no Worcester supporter has ever claimed that we’re paying off all creditors. We have agreed, as demanded by RFU, to pay off “rugby creditors” a concept created by the RFU which has absolutely no meaning in law whatsoever. The new owners have agreed to fund this, if you want to play in an RFU league you have to follow RFU rules. 

The payments to RC’s are scheduled with the RFU’s agreement, and I don’t expect that schedule to be made public. The list of ALL creditors was published by Administrators as required by law, and one can read this and have a decent guess about those within it who might be RC’s. Remember these creditors were left unpaid by the previous long departed useless owners. The new owners could easily have decided not to pay them, and then we would have started from the bottom. 

As often when businesses go bust, unsecured creditors will get nothing. 

As a lifelong rugby supporter I understand exactly why some are outraged that Wuss are not starting from the bottom, and quote other failed clubs to support that outrage. But the simple fact is that no previous collapsed club has ever paid anyone anything, including Cov, so the situation is unique, and comes about only because the RFU invented Rugby Creditors, and because Wuss infrastructure attracted new money from new owners who are willing and able to comply with the RFU’s scheme.

Don’t take it out on the supporters please. A lot of us are local, know unsecured creditors, and believe me we’re not crowing about how it has all worked out.
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I feel sorry for Worcester fans.  The world knows a stitch up when it sees one and the earth has been moved to allow them to be fast tracked back to this level.  The rhetoric from the very beginning has been about when they get back not how.  I think what sticks in the craw is the time between going bust and now. Other teams to continue have had to put a team out the next season to carry on and had to start lower.  This is setting a precedent, that you can go bust, bide your time and let others fail to leave you a space.   Previous situations have been ignored, other clubs falling by the wayside forgotten but lets not kid ourselves this is an inside job.  And every Worcester fan justification written I'm sure in good faith and excitement has been and will always be shot down in flames (likened to the Wimbledon/Milton Keynes Don's). There's so many inconsistencies around repayments.... have they, will they.... how much, I hope the players and staff going there will be OK but they are here to stay, I would think for one season only

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I am always impressed with the travelling support Cornish sides - the Pirates and before that Redruth when we played them - bring with them.

Should we ever play Redruth again - I would point out that the new changing rooms have locks.
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When Wuss were in the Championship they never brought anywhere near 500 to Penzance. 
Bristol were the only relegated side to bring significant support.
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4,000 fans at home does not help anyone other than Worcester.

However, if they bring 500 to every away game - then they would be very welcome.

Bring 1,000 and treasurers would be ecstatic.

Obviously Bedford could struggle to squeeze in that many given they would sell out the ground to hardcore Blues fans - that is a different problem. Pirates might have a similar problem - but most other clubs have spare capacity.

The problem is getting the message out that there is high quality sport to watch - when all the coverage is eaten by Soccer and the Premiership Clubs.




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Originally posted by ROLLO ROLLO wrote:

In the  last round the total gates for all Championship games was just over 8K. If you look at Sixways Stadium and its potential why would rugby not want a further 4 or  5K added to that number?  Or indeed the employment opportunities for players ,coaches and backroom staff , plus hostpitality and administration. With this infrastructure is there a Championship side that is equal to it ?
8k is not great is it?
However, had Bedford and Cov been at home the numbers would be quite a bit higher, with the two clubs getting a total of between six and ten thousand (depending on the opposition) between them.
And I can assure you that Cov would be pulling in close to 5k a week or more in the unlikely event that they were smashing the league.
All totally irrelevant to the whole argument though, like the 8k figure accrued by clubs who are disgracefully unsupported or promoted by their own feeble governing body.
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Originally posted by ROLLO ROLLO wrote:

 Worcester are paying rugby creditors as defined by the RFU , and I am sure that those recieving the payments will be  if not happy , then less sad.
The world has changed, an invitation was made for clubs to enter the new structure and Wuss were accepted after some very strict investigation. In the  last round the total gates for all Championship games was just over 8K. If you look at Sixways Stadium and its potential why would rugby not want a further 4 or  5K added to that number?  Or indeed the employment opportunities for players ,coaches and backroom staff , plus hostpitality and administration. With this infrastructure is there a Championship side that is equal to it ?


You completely miss the point. I know I’m an old Cornish fossil but from where I sit, a “club” has been created which promises to pay off some debts over an unclear period; pontificating that the rest of us should be grateful for your munificence is frankly insulting.
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