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    Posted: 24 May 2024 at 17:20
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The RFU Business Network hosted a Zoom session on Marketing pre-Christmas which included the Marketing Manager from Northampton Saints. He made the comment that they are actively trying to recruit as spectators the 18-30 age group. They are exactly the same people as grassroots Clubs are trying to recruit as players. Yet another conflict with the Premiership. Rugby always used to be a participation sport but there is now a drive for it to be primarily a spectator sport. Is the pond big enough for both?

I don’t get it. We put 5 teams out regularly. I gave up at 37 in my prime because the wife reminded me I was self employed and injury would not be acceptable 


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Originally posted by rugbychris rugbychris wrote:

Interesting that from this article it looks like French clubs have totally different funding model to English clubs. TV rights and local government make up the bulk. England looks a very sorry state by comparison. I wonder if this is going to translate into French dominance for many years to come. 

And only 52% permitted on players, 16 French qualified in match day squads plus up to relegation for financial irregularities 
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Interesting that from this article it looks like French clubs have totally different funding model to English clubs. TV rights and local government make up the bulk. England looks a very sorry state by comparison. I wonder if this is going to translate into French dominance for many years to come. 
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This and the news of 4 foreign players being chased by Borthwick on residency grounds. wtf
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Originally posted by rugbychris rugbychris wrote:

https://www.lnr.fr/actualite/top-14-et-pro-d2-les-droits-audiovisuels-attribues-a-canal-pour-les-saisons-20272028-a-20312032

RFU champ funding laughable in comparison.


Yes but..
 

Those are TV rights not funding from the FFR to the clubs.

I read that more people watch Pro D2 than the football equivalent.

Tres bien travaille France! (?)
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https://www.lnr.fr/actualite/top-14-et-pro-d2-les-droits-audiovisuels-attribues-a-canal-pour-les-saisons-20272028-a-20312032

RFU champ funding laughable in comparison.
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I wonder how many of the England U20s squad came through volunteer led community clubs, National Leagues and the Championship? Heaven forbid that the RFU should invest in clubs outside the Premiership!

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Biased, but I think Saints is an excellently run organisation.

Their engagement with local clubs and kids is superb.

May be the case now, but as a parent, my experience is thar their approach to children is, at best, poor. 
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The RFU Business Network hosted a Zoom session on Marketing pre-Christmas which included the Marketing Manager from Northampton Saints. He made the comment that they are actively trying to recruit as spectators the 18-30 age group. They are exactly the same people as grassroots Clubs are trying to recruit as players. Yet another conflict with the Premiership. Rugby always used to be a participation sport but there is now a drive for it to be primarily a spectator sport. Is the pond big enough for both?

Unless there's a by product of people turning to rugby having watched it for the first time .... unintended consequence for Saints

Biased, but I think Saints is an excellently run organisation.

Their engagement with local clubs and kids is superb.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The RFU Business Network hosted a Zoom session on Marketing pre-Christmas which included the Marketing Manager from Northampton Saints. He made the comment that they are actively trying to recruit as spectators the 18-30 age group. They are exactly the same people as grassroots Clubs are trying to recruit as players. Yet another conflict with the Premiership. Rugby always used to be a participation sport but there is now a drive for it to be primarily a spectator sport. Is the pond big enough for both?

Unless there's a by product of people turning to rugby having watched it for the first time .... unintended consequence for Saints
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The RFU Business Network hosted a Zoom session on Marketing pre-Christmas which included the Marketing Manager from Northampton Saints. He made the comment that they are actively trying to recruit as spectators the 18-30 age group. They are exactly the same people as grassroots Clubs are trying to recruit as players. Yet another conflict with the Premiership. Rugby always used to be a participation sport but there is now a drive for it to be primarily a spectator sport. Is the pond big enough for both?
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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by Fly Half Fly Half wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Frankly the day you ask this Government for help is the day you might as well give up all hope.
Please keep your far left, socialist political views, off this rugby discussion site.
It is not the role of any Govt, to make up for the inadequacies of a sports governing body. 
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Originally posted by Fly Half Fly Half wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Frankly the day you ask this Government for help is the day you might as well give up all hope.
Please keep your far left, socialist political views, off this rugby discussion site.
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The sad thing about the game is, it seems a large proportion of rugby followers don't actually care about the game outside of their Premiership club and the England team. I posted the above article on some pro clubs forums to see if it generated any debate, not a word, nowhere. Those of us on here who follow club rugby at semi pro and amateur levels are of little or no interest it would seem. The odd thing is though, I bet there are more people involved in various ways in the game below the Premiership/England than there are in the privileged few. I guess it reflects society where the few rule over the many.
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Originally posted by Fly Half Fly Half wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Frankly the day you ask this Government for help is the day you might as well give up all hope.

Please keep your far left, socialist political views, off this rugby discussion site.
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Please keep your ludicrous assumptions of my political views off this rugby discussion site.

For the benefit of the hard of understanding I agree with your second line which is why I made my point about asking this Government for help. I said "this Government" because as far as I understand it we only have the one Government at the moment to ask.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Competition comes from there being jeopardy, remove that and the competition goes out of sport.

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Competition comes from there being jeopardy, remove that and the competition goes out of sport.

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Competition comes from there being jeopardy, remove that and the competition goes out of sport.
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Frankly the day you ask this Government for help is the day you might as well give up all hope.

Please keep your far left, socialist political views, off this rugby discussion site.
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This is all depressingly familiar. There does not seem to be any desire by either the RFU or the current Premiership clubs to create a realistic pathway through the rugby pyramid up into the elite game. The schism in the game between the elite (10 clubs and the RFU Executive) and the rest of the game appears to be no closer to a solution because there doesn't appear to be the will or the desire from the tiny minority in the elite game to create this pathway.
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I don't agree with this bit.
A good Championship Head Coach needs (amongst other things) to be able to quickly get a good squad together for one year, maybe two.
A good Prem or URC Director of Rugby has a far wider remit including placing young players at Champ clubs.

For me Biljoen's success at Jersey is no guarantee of success at, say, Leicester.
The jobs are too different.

I don't know but how many of the Champ Head Coaches were hired from clubs further down the structure. And not promoted up with the group.


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