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Do you think most council tax payers would agree with you?

I know Carmarthenshire Council gave Llanelli/ Scarlets a good deal on the new stadium there.

Broadly speaking these are similar rugby areas, aren't they?
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Originally posted by *Stalwart *Stalwart wrote:

....... the Leader of the council decided arbitrarily that no funding would go towards the stadium.

...that's not how local government financial management works
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Originally posted by *Stalwart *Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

That is amazing funding from Jersey government. If Cornish Pirates and Doncaster had received that from their councils maybe there would have been a different Championship winner 

So true. Cornwall Council have been woeful in their lack of support for the building of the new stadium which would have given CP a great chance of progressing and forming a sustainable plan for the future.
The latest blow was, when everyone was confident of government levelling up money being the final piece in the jigsaw, the Leader of the council decided arbitrarily that no funding would go towards the stadium.

Wakefield Council have constantly dug Wakefield Trinity out of financial holes. 
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If my memory serves...was it not the case CCC were asked to 
contribute towards paying for a stadium that would still not satisfy the criteria for premiership rugby?
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Originally posted by Megrim Megrim wrote:

If my memory serves...was it not the case CCC were asked to 
contribute towards paying for a stadium that would still not satisfy the criteria for premiership rugby?


Not the case. Cornwall Council had promised a small contribution in exchange for the stadium being a community facility and this was complied with. All the hurdles put up were duly jumped. The council contribution would follow the promised government funding. To be fair the government provided levelling up money for "ready to build projects". All the plans were in place and the new stadium would have the ability to expand to 10,000 seats when needed. The government money came through and it was then that, out of the blue, Council Leader Linda Taylor decided it wouldn't be allocated and would be spent elsewhere as the Truro area was receiving too much. 
Recently The Hall for Cornwall, in Truro, was refurbed.
"The theatre closed in June 2018 for what was supposed to be a two-year refurbishment costing more than £20m. It has cost £26m and taken three years to complete, partly longer than planned because of the coronavirus pandemic." Of this nearly £6m came from Cornwall Council.
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Rugby Players' Association calls for changes to sport after club goes bust

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The Rugby Players' Association (RPA) says changes must be made to the way rugby union is run after the collapse of Championship holders Jersey Reds.

The club announced on Thursday that it was to cease trading.

They are the fourth professional club to go bust in the past 12 months.

"This is again a failing of the current rugby ecosystem and why we are pushing so hard for changes to be made to governance of the professional game," general secretary Christian Day said.

The RPA says it is helping to support Jersey's players as they come to terms with the club's demise.

Reds had needed £370,000 of money from Jersey's government to tide them over in the summer as they looked for new investment.

But when a planned new investor pulled out - with the club citing uncertainty over the future of the second tier - they had no choice but to cease trading.

"Players and staff have been left with their lives turned upside down overnight," added Day.

"These are talented people trying to forge their way in life, dependant on the club to pay their wages that they have earned and deserve. It is unacceptable that this has again happened with no prior notice to players.

"It is clear that there must be a better support system in place for all elite players which must be rectified as a key part of any new funding agreement."

'Our level of funding isn't adequate'

Former Jersey Reds player and coach Alex Rae is now head coach at Coventry, who were due to travel to Jersey in the opening round of the Championship next month.

He says the Rugby Football Union (RFU) must support second-tier clubs in England, having cut their funding drastically after the Covid-19 pandemic.

"Our level of funding isn't adequate from the RFU," he told BBC Radio Jersey.

"Since Covid it was around £650,000 and that dropped to £160,000, and we're one of the only professional sports where after Covid it hasn't been reinstated to that level. We've stayed the same, which puts a massive stress on clubs.

"Coventry are very well supported - we had 4,000 at the Saracens game and are averaging well over 2,000 - everyone's got a different model, but the RFU funding needs to change.

"There needs to be a clearer picture of how funding looks, how the game looks going forward, because that helps attract sponsors and investors and that clearly isn't happening at the minute."
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Originally posted by *Stalwart *Stalwart wrote:

....... the Leader of the council decided arbitrarily that no funding would go towards the stadium.

...that's not how local government financial management works


Well it happened in Cornwall. Mind you, Cornwall Council and financial management don't fit in the same sentence.
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I’m hearing stories of the club not paying the players rent in some cases for 2-3 months which as far as I understand is how these contracts are structured these days.

Some players are scratching around for money to pay for flights so that they can get home as they’ll have no where to live.

Seems like the Stewards of the club knew this was coming and didn’t deliver any warning.

Very disappointing to say the least.Thumbs Down
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Originally posted by *Stalwart *Stalwart wrote:


Well it happened in Cornwall. Mind you, Cornwall Council and financial management don't fit in the same sentence.

Seriously though there will be a long audit trail of documents ending up in a committee decision and and stack of undocumented arm twisting

That's what the Freedom of Information Act is for.

However it's a sad indightment of back corridor work.


Edited by FHLH - 29 Sep 2023 at 19:46
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Its awful that this has happened to one of rugby's success stories (tax haven not withstanding), I followed them when they were back in my team's league and remember when they brought those Tongans in (and the big hair). It goes to show that you can reach the top through our pyramid and it is great they won the Championship.

The killer is the Premiership cartel who obstructed them going up (despite them losing 3 of their own) and insistance of that MSC (which if Ealing had the bottle to go through with their lawsuit, might have helped stop this) that was the nail in the coffin. I am very disappointed to hear about the Championship Champions going under.

It kind of makes it either good fortune (or good foresight) for them having done a London Welsh and spun off their amateur team as a legally separate club to safeguard the future of league rugby in Jersey. That is most important in my view that they do protect the continuation of the sport in the Bailiwick. 


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I hope Jersey rebuilds from this mess. JRFC have a game tomorrow and hundreds will go to see it. It may take a few years but the local people love the game and all of the schools play. It may take 5 years or 10 but its too important to give up and I genuinely believe Jersey have added something to the game in the last decade. I saw them lose lots of games like away to Mighty Roth where they got their first Championship point but they won countless matches against all odds. We need to ensure the players and staff who lose their jobs are financially protected and supported and sort out the shambles at the RFU which exist to protect themselves and the entitled clubs who take more than they contribute. 
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

I hope Jersey rebuilds from this mess. JRFC have a game tomorrow and hundreds will go to see it. It may take a few years but the local people love the game and all of the schools play. It may take 5 years or 10 but its too important to give up and I genuinely believe Jersey have added something to the game in the last decade. I saw them lose lots of games like away to Mighty Roth where they got their first Championship point but they won countless matches against all odds. We need to ensure the players and staff who lose their jobs are financially protected and supported and sort out the shambles at the RFU which exist to protect themselves and the entitled clubs who take more than they contribute. 
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If we don’t fill the gap we now have a huge gap in the season between home games! 3 Feb to 23 Mar, wonder if some have longer.
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As I said earlier, this is the second time in three seasons Cambridge have had this - and I forgot that it also applies to Caldy.

In both cases, the club claimed it had a new sponsor lined up, but pen was never put to paper.
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Oddly enough this is very reminiscent of community rugby.

I played in a sponsored shirt that the sponsor never paid for.

The player who had sorted that had managed to get the sack before the sponsor paid up...
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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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It is madness really. As someone quite rightly pointed out earlier, being employed as a 'professional rugby player' in England anywhere outside the Prem (and actually in the Prem also for that matter - LI, Warriors, Wasps) is fraught with uncertainty and risk, even more so when said players have family and dependants uprooting and moving their lives, jobs, schools etc also. 

It does beg the question as to what is stipulated on their contracts re support, compensation, redundancy package (highly unlikley) and what they are entitled to should their club fold essentially overnight through no fault of the player/employee? 

Many businesses (and Jersey Reds are/were a business) have unions, federations, informed representatives to fight the corner of the employee and ensure fair treatment in the wake of redundancy. Is it the case that professional rugby players go into this line of work knowing that they could be out of a job at the drop of a hat, with no subsequent support or legal obligation on the part of the business (rugby club) to provide for their now ex-employees' welfare and financial stability?
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The Rugby Players' Association is the player union.

Their statement on the jersey situation is here:
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From the Rugby Players Association 

 These are talented people trying to forge their way in life, dependant on the club to pay their wages that they have earned and deserve. It is unacceptable that this has again happened with no prior notice to players.




Edited by No 7 - 30 Sep 2023 at 13:19
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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And then you read this.....


 Makes you wonder.
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