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I am our clubs registrar at national league  level, its a nightmare, easy enough to do but very time consuming. 
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Surrey’s 2 Council Members hosted a Zoom call last night attended by over 140 people, mainly from Surrey Clubs but observed by 3 from Staffs. Paula Carter apologised and said the RFU had got the communication wrong. Their aim is to improve player safety by reducing the height of tackles but also by changing the behaviour of the ball carrier. She referred to, and quoted from, the research paper prepared by World Rugby which looks at trials in NZ and England and the change made two seasons ago in France. There is in there strong evidence that lowering the height of the tackle reduces the risk of head injury. She implied that the Council had NOT specified waist level, indeed the research says the safest contact area is between the waist and the sternum. NZ are, apparently going to use the sternum. She also explained that Elite Rugby interpretation comes from World Rugby, not the RFU, hence why this is not (yet) applied to Levels 1 and 2. 

It seems it is a major Huckleberry-up by the RFU Communications and Community teams who have sent out the wrong message! Red cards needed.

It will be interesting to see when the SGM is called. My Club has decided on a watching brief at this point although we are strongly against both the expression “below the waist” and also believe it is unworkable to introduce it at every level by next season given that Mini and Junior players are not allowed to do contact in the close season. We also seek clarification of how loan and dual-registered players from Elite Clubs will be expected to cope under two different Law interpretations. 

On we go!

This is the best explanation that I have heard of this absurd notion. The point that the RFU did not communicate it very well is a huge understatement (surely we must be used to that by now). However, I agree with the notion that the tackle height has to be dropped. For me, below the shoulder seems correct, so armpit/ni**Le level is the highest that players should be going for.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kentish Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Feb 2023 at 21:48
How the RFU who paid £££ for on evaluation of GMS decided to continue with a legacy technology which is supported by a mum and pop outfit is totally beyond me ( having spent 35 years in the SW/IT industry) . You can put lipstick on the Pig but its still a Pig !
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Think I'll register 60 players and hand out cards before each match so that players know who they are on that day.
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Back to tackling, early commentary in Wales / Ireland game "dipping into tackle"
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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Playing a different version of the game at level 1 & 2 is barmy.  I think rugby is in massive trouble, and this has confirmed my fears


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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Playing a different version of the game at level 1 & 2 is barmy.  I think rugby is in massive trouble, and this has confirmed my fears
100% correct utter madness.....but this type of madness is expected from the RFU!
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If they are going to have different heights in elite and community then the pros ought to trial it first

They do more training, have more control of their bodies and are tracked/monitored more

Any unwelcome side effects of the change (like head to knee/hip concussions) would be spotted sooner and decisions on continuation made quicker. 

starting with the community game will hasten the retirement of some (and thus make some 2nd,3rd or 4th xv's fold) and as there is no real baseline to measure against will be hard to measure the impact of. 
I know some clubs are really hot on concussion recording but others lower down the pyramid aren't so how will anyone know if the changes help or hinder 
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Originally posted by Dad Dad wrote:

If they are going to have different heights in elite and community then the pros ought to trial it first

They do more training, have more control of their bodies and are tracked/monitored more

Any unwelcome side effects of the change (like head to knee/hip concussions) would be spotted sooner and decisions on continuation made quicker. 

starting with the community game will hasten the retirement of some (and thus make some 2nd,3rd or 4th xv's fold) and as there is no real baseline to measure against will be hard to measure the impact of. 
I know some clubs are really hot on concussion recording but others lower down the pyramid aren't so how will anyone know if the changes help or hinder 
This would be problematic as the pro-game feeds the
International game which would have different tackle regulations.
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I’m sorry, but the IRB do not do themselves any favors at all. I’m watching the Ireland - France game and the No arms, shoulder to head challenge is exactly what they are trying to get out of the game and yet Wayne Barnes only gives a yellow quoting ‘enough force going through the chest’. I’m sorry, but what a load of garbage!! I like Barnes, but the Frenchman lines him up, made no attempt to wrap his right arm, made no attempt to get lower and his shoulder made contact with the head. That is a red card all day long. The Irish player then fails the HIA. How can they get this so wrong when there is so much scrutiny on head injuries?
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I’m sorry, but the IRB do not do themselves any favors at all. I’m watching the Ireland - France game and the No arms, shoulder to head challenge is exactly what they are trying to get out of the game and yet Wayne Barnes only gives a yellow quoting ‘enough force going through the chest’. I’m sorry, but what a load of garbage!! I like Barnes, but the Frenchman lines him up, made no attempt to wrap his right arm, made no attempt to get lower and his shoulder made contact with the head. That is a red card all day long. The Irish player then fails the HIA. How can they get this so wrong when there is so much scrutiny on head injuries?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2023 at 06:40
I like a good Tar & Feathering of the RFU but it seems neither the Welsh (admittedly they have other issues) or now the SRU seem to be getting same kind of vitriol over the planned change. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SmilingD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2023 at 09:32
The headline on the SRU piece says "Scottish Rugby begins community consultation on tackle height". The WRU said they were setting up a task group to examine the issue and would engage with all stakeholders to build consensus. The RFU said the law was changing on July 1 and anyone who argued was disregarding player welfare.

I think the difference is fairly obvious and that difference explains the different reactions to the three unions.

For what it's worth, I think it is both inevitable and necessary that the law will change but the RFU's process has been incompetent, high handed and caused completely unnecessary distress to many in the game. (And by the way put those of us involved in local administration of the game in a completely.impossible position).

Should probably stress that these views are my own and that I am not speaking on behalf of any organisation I am associated with.


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Totally Agree AB - thanks to RFU Comms who have handled this matter so poorly it beggars belief. Did the EC Council Rep attend the Council meeting on Monday and if so what's the latest? Are we getting a consultation or another bl00dy survey?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Toulouse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 09:44
Originally posted by Mountain Man Mountain Man wrote:

Crazy -so why are we surprised.

Is there another sport in which senior teams below level 2 play to different rules?

No doubt, as with the re-organisation of the leagues, the RFU will have consulted their members and then ignored them. Or a back door to ring-fencing? 

With the RFU proposing a complete re hash of the top 3 tiers of the game from 2024-25 I feel the RFU is not fit for purpose.  10 team premiership, 10 team premiership 2 and Nat 1, 10 teams north, 10 teams south. 9 home games will mean a massive fall in revenue.....another RFU clusterf**k on the horizon.
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Originally posted by SmilingD SmilingD wrote:

The headline on the SRU piece says "Scottish Rugby begins community consultation on tackle height". The WRU said they were setting up a task group to examine the issue and would engage with all stakeholders to build consensus. The RFU said the law was changing on July 1 and anyone who argued was disregarding player welfare.

I think the difference is fairly obvious and that difference explains the different reactions to the three unions.

For what it's worth, I think it is both inevitable and necessary that the law will change but the RFU's process has been incompetent, high handed and caused completely unnecessary distress to many in the game. (And by the way put those of us involved in local administration of the game in a completely.impossible position).

Should probably stress that these views are my own and that I am not speaking on behalf of any organisation I am associated with.
Community and consultation....two words missing from the RFU's vocabulary!!!
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I received this from the RFU.
Please feel free to complete the survey and please share it to players and ex-players you know



The RFU has launched a series of initiatives to listen to and learn from people across the game by consulting on the process around implementation of a lower tackle height in the community game. The consultation will allow the game to discuss the motivations behind the change and the needs to be factored in to make the implementation a success.

The first of these initiatives is a survey (http://links.emails.rfumail.com/els/v2/-eeVtWP0a6h4/SGY0aHBOR3BobWpNZDZHUHFEU0U4Tjh4VUhhN1JwcWswcWhwZjJNZUFNY2hZR3huNlJ4amF5YnBWSEZGbkR1R3gwY0VZSG84cmY0YjRYQWtIQ04xbm5zbUE1ZzBVeWJJTXFmUStIa1lEb2c9S0/) open to all in England.

The survey will be open from today until 9am on Wednesday 22 March, where the data will then be analysed by an independent,
expert research agency.

Following this analysis, and a series of focus groups and forums with groups from around the game, the data will be taken back to the RFU Council to determine the way forward.
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Haven't managed to get beyond the explanatory video! 

Examples shown are at or just above the waist however I'm sure the RFU have players best interests at heart and are trying to mitigate the level of damages in future court cases. 

What don't understand is why the professional game is not included and whether the scientific reports show the same result as I thought that some research showed different results. 


Edited by FHLH - 03 Mar 2023 at 10:58
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oneagainstthehead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 2023 at 11:16
I think the professional game is currently being treated differently because it feeds players into the international game where WRU regulations apply. You can imagine the confusion of players having to adjust to differing tackle requirements from week to week. Once the WRU reduces tackle height (which I’m sure is just a matter of time) then the professional game will fall in line.
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