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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 2023 at 12:48
Do fill it in, especially the last question.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Neasham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 2023 at 13:30
I must admit I had not appreciated the new tackle height only applies to “open play.” Is this a recent climbdown or has it always been the case?
More onus on Refs but it makes me more relaxed. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ParkBench Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2023 at 10:54
Originally posted by L33 L33 wrote:

Originally posted by Redted Redted wrote:

This system has already proved to be a nightmare for club registration volunteers at MJ level, so bad the RFU have widened it to the senior section.

GMS is a perfect example of the RFU’s contempt for the community game.
Yes I agree mainly because children and parents didn't know " someone else" had registered them on the system.

Clubs are being asked to ensure players emails addresses are up to date which will make the process a lot easier. 

We can't keep doing things the same we have always done. 

I agree that "we can't keep doing things the same we have always done". 

However GMS is a mess of a system. As you move across different modules you end up having to sign in multiple times on the same visit. 

When the onus was put on to parents to self-register the RFU removed hoards of players from the club's entries. So we went overnight from 700+ kids to less than 80 a couple of years later. We still have the same number of kids playing but now they are no longer active in GMS. Parents try multiple times to register their kid and then get frustrated because GMS is not like using forgotten password on an equivalent consumer system. In the past there was an onus on registrars / age group managers to upload the kids to get an RFU number. The RFU celebrated that they had removed that burden from volunteers. Now it takes longer for the same individuals to try and coach parents through re-registering their kids. 

When you compare GMS to the equivalent with other sporting bodies it is dreadful. And now they are going to force it on the adult playing population. They might do better in that players in many club's lower sides probably didn't exist in GMS before. To be fair registering a brand new to the sport player isn't difficult. Re-registering a player who got put into limbo is where the aggravation lies. How many twenty-somethings are going to struggle to remember Mummy or Daddy's email address from when they were 6 or 7 and first received an RFU ID as a kid?

When the RFU hand in their Youth and Mini playing numbers to Sport England etc it must all be made up as so many kids are now no longer registered or sitting in limbo in the de-registered nether regions of GMS. Outside of club matches SOCS and SchoolsRugby capture the vast majority of school matches (and the scores which must incense many at the RFU) but there are a lot of schools that don't subscribe to their system whose matches won't appear. 

Apologies for the rant but the RFU really could do better (in many things) and GMS in its current guise is not up to the task. I'm flabbergasted that they assessed it and told themselves it was first for purpose.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2023 at 10:46
Anyone else see Ringrose get concussion yesterday?
The height of the tackle was 'waist' but the technique was all wrong, hence the concussion.
'Head on Hip' - Please take note RFU.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2023 at 11:33
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Anyone else see Ringrose get concussion yesterday?
The height of the tackle was 'waist' but the technique was all wrong, hence the concussion.
'Head on Hip' - Please take note RFU.

As noted in the RFU survey. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote billesleyexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2023 at 12:56
and right on cue, as most of us thought at the time, here comes the IRB:

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2023 at 13:37
Tackling technique seems poor across the professional game.
Passing technique is little better.
And it seems hookers cannot hit a barn door when throwing in.
It does seem we need a lot more work on skills and perhaps less time on strength and conditioning.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2023 at 17:02
Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

and right on cue, as most of us thought at the time, here comes the IRB:


 "Particularly in the community gsme"

Roll on concussion type injuries to kidneys and liver ...... and pancreas .. in fact any area of soft tissue. Legs are good, my schoolteacher advocated an ankle chop tackle ... but that was in the 50s


Edited by FHLH - 13 Mar 2023 at 17:09
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2023 at 17:51
And is the tackle height more important than players diving into rucks or neck rolling players out of rucks?

I want the game to be as safe as possible, while retaining its character.  But it needs to be something that referees in the wilds can enforce.
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Watching the internationals over the weekend 90% of Phase building play started with a dipped head
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2023 at 19:35
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

and right on cue, as most of us thought at the time, here comes the IRB:


 "Particularly in the community gsme"

Roll on concussion type injuries to kidneys and liver ...... and pancreas .. in fact any area of soft tissue. Legs are good, my schoolteacher advocated an ankle chop tackle ... but that was in the 50s

To suggest you get more 'head on head' in the community game is absolute rubbish. There are more games played at community level so it stands to reason that there may be more injuries but there is no convincing evidence of more 'head on head' injuries.
As FHLH suggests, taking away the ball carriers ability to defend their midriff will cause all kinds of other problems.
IMHO adopting anything below the armpit will be a disaster for the game.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 2023 at 07:13
This went quiet for a while. Non-specific update just out, promising more clarity by the end of this month...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2023 at 23:34
Just been catching up on some matches on YouTube. Noticed that a lot of shoulder charging (at any height), by the ball carrier. Is this being addressed?
Another can of worms?


Edited by FHLH - 13 Apr 2023 at 23:35
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Apr 2023 at 14:32
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Just been catching up on some matches on YouTube. Noticed that a lot of shoulder charging (at any height), by the ball carrier. Is this being addressed?
Another can of worms?


No ball carriers can do almost anything they want - hand off in the face, shoulder charge, drop their head like a battering ram - the responsibility lies with the defender to ensure a safe tackle.

Why this should be anyone knows
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Apr 2023 at 15:10
The law says:

Quote Players must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others including leading with the elbow or forearm

and

Quote A ball-carrier is permitted to hand off an opponent provided excessive force is not used.

But we know the devil is in interpretation.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 2023 at 09:27
Looking at the announcement, 'Sternum' is ok but some are also interpreting this as meaning 'Stomach, so getting lower as we speak. 
IMHO, none of this will make any discernable difference to the amount of concussion incidents we see but they had to do something.
What does bother me is "9.11.(b) Ball-carriers must not lower their height significantly before making contact with an opponent in open play." This is a concern and a possible game changer. Refs will struggle with this and games will be spoilt by differing intrepretations. Players will naturally want to defend themselves when carrying the ball and when trying to break through the tackle. I dont believe that this law is required.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 2023 at 09:35
According to the new regulation it would appear that the Ball Carrier cannot lower his head or shoulder below the waist when running into the tackler from "Distance" this will be an issue for the Referees when interpreting "Distance" Pick and go will be allowed around the Ruck and Maul. Again the interpretation is the key. I have seen many tacklers in correctly in the crouch position being hit in the head by a leading shoulder. 
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This is intended to be an encouragement to the ball carrier to go to the side of the tackler, when possible, rather than into him. I.E. to be like a back not a forward.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Count Ford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 2023 at 13:22
I'm surprised that the 'choke tackle' which actually rewards players tackling high is still in existence. How does this fit with a desire to lower the tackle height?

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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

This is intended to be an encouragement to the ball carrier to go to the side of the tackler, when possible, rather than into him. I.E. to be like a back not a forward.

No, it is an attempt to stop the ball carrier leading with his head, as this is all about stats on concussion.
Anyone involved in the game knows that the ball carrier lowers his weight to push through the tackle, arms/ball first and not the head. 
In this instance and in many others, the one who is more likely to be 'concussed' is the tackler, if he gets his technique wrong, as we see quite often.
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