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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 12087 |
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Do fill it in, especially the last question.
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Neasham ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 09 May 2014 Location: County Durham Status: Offline Points: 479 |
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I must admit I had not appreciated the new tackle height only applies to “open play.” Is this a recent climbdown or has it always been the case?
More onus on Refs but it makes me more relaxed.
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ParkBench ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Oct 2013 Location: Richmond Status: Offline Points: 158 |
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I agree that "we can't keep doing things the same we have always done". However GMS is a mess of a system. As you move across different modules you end up having to sign in multiple times on the same visit. When the onus was put on to parents to self-register the RFU removed hoards of players from the club's entries. So we went overnight from 700+ kids to less than 80 a couple of years later. We still have the same number of kids playing but now they are no longer active in GMS. Parents try multiple times to register their kid and then get frustrated because GMS is not like using forgotten password on an equivalent consumer system. In the past there was an onus on registrars / age group managers to upload the kids to get an RFU number. The RFU celebrated that they had removed that burden from volunteers. Now it takes longer for the same individuals to try and coach parents through re-registering their kids. When you compare GMS to the equivalent with other sporting bodies it is dreadful. And now they are going to force it on the adult playing population. They might do better in that players in many club's lower sides probably didn't exist in GMS before. To be fair registering a brand new to the sport player isn't difficult. Re-registering a player who got put into limbo is where the aggravation lies. How many twenty-somethings are going to struggle to remember Mummy or Daddy's email address from when they were 6 or 7 and first received an RFU ID as a kid? When the RFU hand in their Youth and Mini playing numbers to Sport England etc it must all be made up as so many kids are now no longer registered or sitting in limbo in the de-registered nether regions of GMS. Outside of club matches SOCS and SchoolsRugby capture the vast majority of school matches (and the scores which must incense many at the RFU) but there are a lot of schools that don't subscribe to their system whose matches won't appear. Apologies for the rant but the RFU really could do better (in many things) and GMS in its current guise is not up to the task. I'm flabbergasted that they assessed it and told themselves it was first for purpose. Edited by ParkBench - 04 Mar 2023 at 10:55 |
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Sid James ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Jun 2013 Location: East Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 1687 |
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Anyone else see Ringrose get concussion yesterday?
The height of the tackle was 'waist' but the technique was all wrong, hence the concussion. 'Head on Hip' - Please take note RFU.
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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6644 |
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As noted in the RFU survey.
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billesleyexile ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2013 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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and right on cue, as most of us thought at the time, here comes the IRB:
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keep the faith
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 12087 |
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Tackling technique seems poor across the professional game. Passing technique is little better. And it seems hookers cannot hit a barn door when throwing in. It does seem we need a lot more work on skills and perhaps less time on strength and conditioning. |
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FHLH ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Cambridge Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 5662 |
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"Particularly in the community gsme" Roll on concussion type injuries to kidneys and liver ...... and pancreas .. in fact any area of soft tissue. Legs are good, my schoolteacher advocated an ankle chop tackle ... but that was in the 50s
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 12087 |
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And is the tackle height more important than players diving into rucks or neck rolling players out of rucks? I want the game to be as safe as possible, while retaining its character. But it needs to be something that referees in the wilds can enforce.
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FHLH ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Cambridge Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 5662 |
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Watching the internationals over the weekend 90% of Phase building play started with a dipped head
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Sid James ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Jun 2013 Location: East Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 1687 |
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To suggest you get more 'head on head' in the community game is absolute rubbish. There are more games played at community level so it stands to reason that there may be more injuries but there is no convincing evidence of more 'head on head' injuries. As FHLH suggests, taking away the ball carriers ability to defend their midriff will cause all kinds of other problems. IMHO adopting anything below the armpit will be a disaster for the game.
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7954 |
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This went quiet for a while. Non-specific update just out, promising more clarity by the end of this month...
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FHLH ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Cambridge Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 5662 |
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Just been catching up on some matches on YouTube. Noticed that a lot of shoulder charging (at any height), by the ball carrier. Is this being addressed?
Another can of worms? Edited by FHLH - 13 Apr 2023 at 23:35 |
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4545 |
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No ball carriers can do almost anything they want - hand off in the face, shoulder charge, drop their head like a battering ram - the responsibility lies with the defender to ensure a safe tackle. Why this should be anyone knows |
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 12087 |
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The law says:
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But we know the devil is in interpretation. |
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Sid James ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Jun 2013 Location: East Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 1687 |
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Looking at the announcement, 'Sternum' is ok but some are also interpreting this as meaning 'Stomach, so getting lower as we speak.
IMHO, none of this will make any discernable difference to the amount of concussion incidents we see but they had to do something. What does bother me is "9.11.(b) Ball-carriers must not lower their height significantly before making contact with an opponent in open play." This is a concern and a possible game changer. Refs will struggle with this and games will be spoilt by differing intrepretations. Players will naturally want to defend themselves when carrying the ball and when trying to break through the tackle. I dont believe that this law is required.
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workerbee ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 May 2009 Location: Wirral Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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According to the new regulation it would appear that the Ball Carrier cannot lower his head or shoulder below the waist when running into the tackler from "Distance" this will be an issue for the Referees when interpreting "Distance" Pick and go will be allowed around the Ruck and Maul. Again the interpretation is the key. I have seen many tacklers in correctly in the crouch position being hit in the head by a leading shoulder.
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Halliford ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4340 |
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This is intended to be an encouragement to the ball carrier to go to the side of the tackler, when possible, rather than into him. I.E. to be like a back not a forward.
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Count Ford ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 20 May 2017 Location: WA4 Status: Offline Points: 412 |
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I'm surprised that the 'choke tackle' which actually rewards players tackling high is still in existence. How does this fit with a desire to lower the tackle height?
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Sid James ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Jun 2013 Location: East Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 1687 |
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No, it is an attempt to stop the ball carrier leading with his head, as this is all about stats on concussion. Anyone involved in the game knows that the ball carrier lowers his weight to push through the tackle, arms/ball first and not the head. In this instance and in many others, the one who is more likely to be 'concussed' is the tackler, if he gets his technique wrong, as we see quite often.
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