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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Darth Raider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 17:03
Thanks for the comprehensive reply Camquin.....in this instance the Barnes players were coming back into the in-goal area and were all therefore, offside.....being in front of the ball when it was knocked forward.  So I thought if one of them dropped on the ball it would be a pen.......so as you say then, it could indeed have been a PT and YC.  Up to the ref though that last bit.
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Playing against Redruth was so good for Phil Cokanasiga’s game that yesterday he played for London Irish in the Premiership!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Darth Raider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 19:04
While i don't believe that any club can be blamed for using existing regulations for their own betterment, i continue to feel that allowing a situation whereby a player can play at level 4 one week and level 1 the week after is just fundamentally wrong and unfair and as such, against what i at least, believe to be the spirit of our game.  I will shut up on this subject now.  But change is needed imo Ouch  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 19:49
Absolutely agree Darth! Makes a mockery of the whole competitive structure but you are forgetting that the rest of us are all here to satisfy the whims of the Prem clubs so if Billy International needs a game or two lower down the pyramid then that WILL be alllowed to happen
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scrumtime Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 21:48
Darth I totally agree with you 
And whilst Esher lost Phil yesterday after his one game stint 
They managed to find another couple 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cheshire exile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 22:11
Wasn’t there a regulation at one time that players could not turn out more than 2 divisions below their parent club? 
Out of interest, what is Cokanasiga’s parent club??
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Irish where he came off the bench yesterday 
But had been at Rosslyn pk all year till last week 

It’s the bending of the rules, where the transfer deadline does not even matter  EAP players can join Clubs after the Transfer Deadline if approved by the Head of RFU Academies and you are a bit short one week and have a decent relationship with him! 
Because you always need 60 minutes at Nat2 before a prem game! 




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 22:26
Phil made 5 appearances for Rosslyn Park this season, the last in late January - hardly "all season".
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Phil made 5 appearances for Rosslyn Park this season, the last in late January - hardly "all season".

 
5 more than for you where he had never been to before last weekend 
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Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Phil made 5 appearances for Rosslyn Park this season, the last in late January - hardly "all season".

 
5 more than for you where he had never been to before last weekend 

Tortured grammar but fair point.Tongue
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Sorry about that, it was late!


So, looking at the Esher team sheet this week, in another top of the table clash, it throws up a few questions.


The first being, is National 2 a level playing field or are Esher bending the rules to gain an unfair advantage?


Not only did we have the appearance of a player last week, who has never played for Esher before last weekend and it just happened that Rosslyn Pk did not have a game, but this week he happens to be  running out in the Prem.That game development must have been off the scale!


This week it looks like they top that :


We are past the cut off date for most clubs to sign players for 21/22 season. 

However Esher bend the rules with the draft of 3 new EQP players ( who are outside the set dates for other clubs to sign) into the side.


Williams Joseph, Lucas Brook and Vajner Joseph :


All never played for Esher (according to rugby statebunker, happy to be corrected) before they were named v Clifton last Saturday, which like Redruth the week before happened to be a top of the table clash!


All are EPQ and all from London Irish.


I think, and it's my view, that what Esher are doing bending these rules makes a total mockery of RFU registrations cut off date and the rules for the other 15 clubs. It also makes National 2 promotion race,  not a level playing field and an unfair competition as they are gaining an unfair advantage over and above the other 15 sides.


What are they going to name next week?  Name a few that Eddie does not need to use v Ireland. Oh no hang on its Westcliff (no disrespect to Westcliff)  will save the next batch for the Worthing games!


This needs to be looked at and other clubs in the promotion battle need to point out, that it's no longer a level playing field and Esher are gaining an unfair advantage with what they are doing.

The question of the competition is being brought into question in my view.


Everybody is entitled to their view and this is mine on the subject.



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Please note that Statbunker is not useful for National 2 this season as most matches are not recorded on there. The stats are very different.

Joe Vajner has been with Esher all season, having started in September. He had 2 months out with a head injury and was playing for England U20 so couldn’t be in the squad for the Redruth match. It was great that he was available for Clifton as he was our only fit hooker.
Lucas Brooke was playing his first match for anyone since October. Both he and Will Joseph, who has also been injured for some months, were cleared by the RFU Academies Manager as allowed under the RFU Regulations.
Esher had to name a 3rd XV prop on the bench at Clifton as our front row resources are stretched. The better news was that 4 of our long-term injured made comebacks in our 3rd XV on Saturday.
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Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Is National 2 a level playing field or are Esher bending the rules to gain an unfair advantage?

They're not bending the rules - they're taking advantage of them.  I appreciate that (as you say) it's just your opinion, but the fact is that the regulations are the joke and Esher are well placed, with their relationships with other local clubs, to benefit from them.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Please note that Statbunker is not useful for National 2 this season as most matches are not recorded on there. The stats are very different.

Joe Vajner has been with Esher all season, having started in September. He had 2 months out with a head injury and was playing for England U20 so couldn’t be in the squad for the Redruth match. It was great that he was available for Clifton as he was our only fit hooker.
Lucas Brooke was playing his first match for anyone since October. Both he and Will Joseph, who has also been injured for some months, were cleared by the RFU Academies Manager as allowed under the RFU Regulations.
Esher had to name a 3rd XV prop on the bench at Clifton as our front row resources are stretched. The better news was that 4 of our long-term injured made comebacks in our 3rd XV on Saturday.

Total joke ..  I hope they make a formal complaint.. oh no guess what it will fall on deaf ears with the NCA ..
  You even admit that both Lucas Brook and Will Joseph have never been at Esher pre the run in.. 
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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

Is National 2 a level playing field or are Esher bending the rules to gain an unfair advantage?

They're not bending the rules - they're taking advantage of them.  I appreciate that (as you say) it's just your opinion, but the fact is that the regulations are the joke and Esher are well placed, with their relationships with other local clubs, to benefit from them.

or there is a guy that just happens to have an RFU council seat, who probably has the guy in charge of academies on speed dial ... not a level playing field, devalues the league and competition, very sorry but its wrong very wrong !


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This is nothing new is it? Premiership clubs have had arrangements, both formal and informal in the past, with championship and national league clubs. Tigers had this with Bedford years ago, then Nottingham and now Coventry. Loughborough Students have a few Tigers senior academy players this year, turns out the Lions have two from Coventry. Gloucester have their tie up with Hartbury college. I know when the Lions had Tigers players, they were often taken away and not available, so having them can be disruptive as well as beneficial, indeed Tigers "borrowed" some of our players for non league games. It is part of the laws of the game, could be beneficial for player development, the tie up with these clubs can have other benefits too, Lions had Tigers first team players assisting with coaching, Aneki Sio and Harry Wells both coached the Lions, indeed Aneki joined the club before going to Nottingham, so it's swings and roundabouts. If your club hasn't got an association with a club in a higher league,it might be worth having a conversation, Clifton have with Briz which is benefitting both clubs and players.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 10:30
If you think rugby is played on a level playing field, you have not been to Bedford.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scrumtime Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2022 at 11:06
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

If you think rugby is played on a level playing field, you have not been to Bedford.

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London Nigerians......need belaying rope and many pitons when attacking (slowly) uphill Wink
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Originally posted by Redted Redted wrote:

Playing against Redruth was so good for Phil Cokanasiga’s game that yesterday he played for London Irish in the Premiership!


So he played for 3 different clubs in 3 weeks at 3 different levels - I cannot believe this was the intention of the DR rules.
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