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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BigChief Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2023 at 15:17
Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

If I remember correctly the Scottish RFU were planning on running an SRU funded team in an English league and that is why it never got anywhere with LS.
The wider membership had no appetite for this route either 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2023 at 16:40
You go away for a few days and come back on April's Fools day apparently...

No existing Premiership club would leave the RFU as they provide the funding which far outweighs any other option and the one thing we know about Premiership clubs is they need the money... 

As for Ealing, I dispair. I fail to understand their model and not getting their ducks in a row for promotion for the second year running and now this daft idea of redrawing the border... Madness. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2023 at 18:58
How would trailfinders have a mens team in sru and a women's playing in rfu prem 15's simultaneously 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2023 at 20:00
Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

London Springboks sounds like a cracking brand to pack them in at Vallis Way. 

There was a London South Africa briefly (and a London Springboks before they merged with Sudbury to be officially Sudbury and London Springboks). They tried to buy their way into the Championship and then tried to buy Wimbledon and rebrand them (where have we heard that before?!). In the end they did well in the lower leagues for a while before mysteriously disappearing in 2014.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2023 at 20:58
They tried to buy Wakefield's place in National Two when they were relegated, but then started near the bottom of the pyramid. They even got Dick Best in as DoR for a while.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cricks at 2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 10:38
Well I am walking down to Goldington Road in about 3 hours.  We are playing Doncaster in the cup, in which we have no chance of progressing.
However, there will still be a sizeable crowd and the Blues team is as good as we can field against a Doncaster side that needs a couple of points to seal a place in the next round, so they will be well up for it.  
For me that is the whole point, a competitive match at home on a Saturday afternoon.  Two damn good sides giving no quarter.
The prem can go hang, give me a home (and away) match every week from September to May by increasing the size of the Championship to fit.  Is that too much to ask?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KnightsBoy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 10:46
Originally posted by Cricks at 2 Cricks at 2 wrote:

Well I am walking down to Goldington Road in about 3 hours.  We are playing Doncaster in the cup, in which we have no chance of progressing.
However, there will still be a sizeable crowd and the Blues team is as good as we can field against a Doncaster side that needs a couple of points to seal a place in the next round, so they will be well up for it.  
For me that is the whole point, a competitive match at home on a Saturday afternoon.  Two damn good sides giving no quarter.
The prem can go hang, give me a home (and away) match every week from September to May by increasing the size of the Championship to fit.  Is that too much to ask?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 11:36
Originally posted by Cricks at 2 Cricks at 2 wrote:

Well I am walking down to Goldington Road in about 3 hours.  We are playing Doncaster in the cup, in which we have no chance of progressing.
However, there will still be a sizeable crowd and the Blues team is as good as we can field against a Doncaster side that needs a couple of points to seal a place in the next round, so they will be well up for it.  
For me that is the whole point, a competitive match at home on a Saturday afternoon.  Two damn good sides giving no quarter.
The prem can go hang, give me a home (and away) match every week from September to May by increasing the size of the Championship to fit.  Is that too much to ask?

Oh come on Cricks. That is too logical, too easy and way too popular for the RFU to implement. You’re living in cloud cuckoo land man!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Abbotsman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 12:28
Originally posted by Cricks at 2 Cricks at 2 wrote:

For me that is the whole point, a competitive match at home on a Saturday afternoon.  Two damn good sides giving no quarter.

As others have said look no further than National League 1 & 2. A very good standard of rugby all played Saturday at 3 o'clock or there abouts.

In my opinion the Championship has had an identity issue for years. Watching the Championship since Hartpury joined we've had the relegated side from the Prem almost certain to go back up along with a side who broke the rules and was going back up whatever, mixed with a few full time clubs chasing a place at the top table that never comes. Then you have the ever presents like Bedford & Nottingham along with the likes of Pury, Scottish & Richmond looking over thier shoulder to avoid the relegation if there is relegation.

A Premiership with an odd number of teams? Something wrong there.
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Originally posted by Cricks at 2 Cricks at 2 wrote:

Well I am walking down to Goldington Road in about 3 hours.  We are playing Doncaster in the cup, in which we have no chance of progressing.
However, there will still be a sizeable crowd and the Blues team is as good as we can field against a Doncaster side that needs a couple of points to seal a place in the next round, so they will be well up for it.  
For me that is the whole point, a competitive match at home on a Saturday afternoon.  Two damn good sides giving no quarter.
The prem can go hang, give me a home (and away) match every week from September to May by increasing the size of the Championship to fit.  Is that too much to ask?

I'd also add knowledge of how promotion and relegation will operate before the season starts. 

Not that this is just a Championship problem of course. More a problem of any league administered by the RFU.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2023 at 15:54
Originally posted by Crick's at 2 Crick's at 2 wrote:

Home and away each week   

You're lucky with Championship at Bedford & Ampthill, Cambridge in National 1 not too far and Bedford Athletic in lower leagues.

I'm happy with National 1 standard, although it would be great to have a knockout Cup Competition with Championship clubs as a measure.

Be great to have England Counties touring again!

I blame the East Stand overspend of £25m+


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Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

I am staggered, if Ealing really wanted promotion surely they would have had all their ducks in a row!!! What a shame !

They'll be moving to the URC i bet. It's been on the horizon for the club since 2019.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IainS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 09:05
Interesting to see Nick Cain’s column in the Rugby Paper this morning which appears to suggest that Ealing haven’t really engaged with the premiership criteria application this season because Mike Gooley is determined to have a legal showdown to break the premiership’s restrictive practices. Have to say I did wonder when there was no outcry from the club this week.

Ealing withdrew legal action last year on a promise that a practical solution would be found. Yet what was agreed was simply a reiteration of the previous 10,001 criteria, with the minor concession that actual construction might be delayed by a season if planning permission was in place. No prospect of sustainable phased ground expansion over time.

Whatever one’s feelings about Ealing’s low crowds and lack of market for a further Premiership Club in West London, I say good luck to them if they are finally going to take the Premiership’s protectionist and anti-competitive methods on in the courts. It is time these things were put to the proof.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote *Stalwart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 09:46
Good luck to Ealing, if they can break this cartel it's good for rugby in general. However, promotion to the Premiership is a poisoned chalice at the moment. Who would really want to join the chaos that reigns at the moment?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ParkBench Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 10:09
Originally posted by IainS IainS wrote:

Interesting to see Nick Cain’s column in the Rugby Paper this morning which appears to suggest that Ealing haven’t really engaged with the premiership criteria application this season because Mike Gooley is determined to have a legal showdown to break the premiership’s restrictive practices. Have to say I did wonder when there was no outcry from the club this week.



I’m sure I read last year that they’d taken on some very expensive counsel and were in a great position to take on PRL and the RFU. Then they dropped the threat and we had the quotes from the RFU about the need for sustainability which looked like a move in the right direction.

In the aftermath of the Wasps and Worcester debacle and the RFU’s hounding in front of the DCMS their adherence to a (largely) unchanged set of criteria doesn’t sit well with the wider rugby-supporting and sporting public.

I hope Mike Gooley wipes the floor with them. When Bournemouth secured promotion to the Premier League and their lovely (little) ground didn’t meet the League’s minimum standard rules the League rewrote the rules.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trailfinder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 10:37
I’m desperately trying to reserve judgement until Ealing release a statement but the silence so far is agonising!

I’m wary of creating conflict with RFU/PRL, not exactly great grounds for constructive ongoing relations. I suspect there are some real safety issues of building a 10k+1 stadium due to the limited access at Vallis way and maybe they just want to break the requirement so that 5k becomes the new minimum. 

Merging with a Welsh region is surely a negotiation tactic. None of the mainstream outlets have picked up the story so I take it with a pinch of salt. 

I’m delighted Donny have been approved though, hopefully it will give them some added impetus to make the step up. Although who knows what the league structure will look like in the next couple of seasons. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote maire23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 14:12
I also read in the Rugby Paper that there’s a meeting this week with Championship clubs about the structure of the league for the coming season. 
I remarked to my husband this morning that said meeting could be interesting. Particularly with the more outspoken leaders in the Championship, thinking especially of my own club Nottingham- Mr Bow isn’t exactly the shy and retiring type when it comes to subjects like this and it will be very interesting to see what the verdict is. 
As for Ealing, I read the column in the Rugby Paper too and I have to agree with hoping that Sir Mike and his big scary London lawyers wipe the proverbial floor with the RFU. About time someone stood up to them. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 14:42
My only worry for Ealing is have they been certified at 5k capacity? We know the ground can hold it but if they aren’t certified will this not exclude them at the first hurdle?

Fully agree that there should be a legal challenge but won’t the RFU counter with, we reduced the minimum criteria to 5k and Ealing haven’t met this basic criteria.
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

London Springboks sounds like a cracking brand to pack them in at Vallis Way. 

More chance of the JERSEY RED RUSCKIES. with your Russian connections .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 20:16
Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

London Springboks sounds like a cracking brand to pack them in at Vallis Way. 


More chance of the JERSEY RED RUSCKIES. with your Russian connections .

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