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Originally posted by Athman Athman wrote:

Just to add Tunbridge Wells withdrew from their match at Bedford Athletic tomorrow. The official communication from the RFU stated as well as awarding Ath five points for the walkover, Tunbridge Wells were being deducted two points which is something that isn't showing on the pool tables.

Wow 2 points.. did they get 10 minutes on the naughty step as well..total farce

Is the Kent RFU council member Roger Clarke not the Chairman of TWells.. maybe he could tell the RFU and there next get together, why he side could not make it, before he picks up his pay cheque
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If Harpenden have been deducted two points for their non appearance at Havant then that is a completely dead rubber (no reason why it shouldn't be played though).
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Guess what...Harpenden are gonna play their HOME, repeat HOME game against Shelford, that's a shock ain't it !!! Get some money in
The irony of it is there is a very slim chance that they could go through to the semi final if we don't pick up a bonus point tomorrow🤦‍♂️
 why the hell they didn't get deducted 5 points as it would be in the case of a league game is beyond me
This competition needs a massive overhaul next year with points deducted from teams that don't  give a c rap about turning up to away games


Edited by HAVANT TONY - 14 Apr 2023 at 13:28
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astonishing - the brass neck of a club to fail to fulfil a cup fixture and then front up for the next game (at home of course) as if nothing had happened. Total contempt...
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Originally posted by HAVANT TONY HAVANT TONY wrote:

Guess what...Harpenden are gonna play their HOME, repeat HOME game against Shelford, that's a shock ain't it !!! Get some money in
The irony of it is there is a very slim chance that they could go through to the semi final if we don't pick up a bonus point tomorrow🤦‍♂️
 why the hell they didn't get deducted 5 points as it would be in the case of a league game is beyond me
This competition needs a massive overhaul next year with points deducted from teams that don't  give a c rap about turning up to away games

As per my earlier post I'm pretty certain Harpenden will have been deducted two points which (rightly) takes them out of contention for the semi finals. I had this explanation direct from the competitions department at the RFU.
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All these walkovers just shows what teams/players think of a cup competition (certainly one with groups).

If you have to have a cup - make it a straight knockout, possibly with proviso if you win away then you get a home draw in the next round?
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Originally posted by Athman Athman wrote:

Originally posted by HAVANT TONY HAVANT TONY wrote:

Guess what...Harpenden are gonna play their HOME, repeat HOME game against Shelford, that's a shock ain't it !!! Get some money in
The irony of it is there is a very slim chance that they could go through to the semi final if we don't pick up a bonus point tomorrow🤦‍♂️
 why the hell they didn't get deducted 5 points as it would be in the case of a league game is beyond me
This competition needs a massive overhaul next year with points deducted from teams that don't  give a c rap about turning up to away games

As per my earlier post I'm pretty certain Harpenden will have been deducted two points which (rightly) takes them out of contention for the semi finals. I had this explanation direct from the competitions department at the RFU.

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The RFU website shows Harpenden still on 5 points and has done for a while , I can't imagine they would be that lazy and not update it after two weeks even by RFU standards!.... or could i ?🤦‍♂️
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Originally posted by HAVANT TONY HAVANT TONY wrote:

Originally posted by Athman Athman wrote:

Originally posted by HAVANT TONY HAVANT TONY wrote:

Guess what...Harpenden are gonna play their HOME, repeat HOME game against Shelford, that's a shock ain't it !!! Get some money in
The irony of it is there is a very slim chance that they could go through to the semi final if we don't pick up a bonus point tomorrow🤦‍♂️
 why the hell they didn't get deducted 5 points as it would be in the case of a league game is beyond me
This competition needs a massive overhaul next year with points deducted from teams that don't  give a c rap about turning up to away games



As per my earlier post I'm pretty certain Harpenden will have been deducted two points which (rightly) takes them out of contention for the semi finals. I had this explanation direct from the competitions department at the RFU.


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The RFU website shows Harpenden still on 5 points and has done for a while , I can't imagine they would be that lazy and not update it after two weeks even by RFU standards!.... or could i ?🤦‍♂️


Maybe the RFU have lost interest in the pizza cup - if they ever had any.
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Will the RFU offer a refund to Papa John?

This is turning into a competition akin to a late pizza delivery.
Although now it looks like half the toppings are missing.




Edited by kempstonblue - 15 Apr 2023 at 19:48
The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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The way it's looking a club could progress a fair way without actually playing. 🙄
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All games played in Regional Plate 1 Looking like a close finish between top 3 teams next week 
However there wasn’t much travelling to do
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tulip, apart from the 3 Walkovers ( 2 for this round 1 for next week) your statement is correct

Edited by PiffPaff - 16 Apr 2023 at 10:55
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A post by Wolverhampton RFC: Totally spot on 

Unfortunately Wolverhampton Rugby Union Football Club   have had to concede their Papa John’s cup fixture away to Glossop RUFC  this weekend. We would firstly extend our apologies to Glossop and assure them we did everything we could do to select a squad and fulfil the fixture, we fully understand that they will be disappointed at the loss of a fixture and associated bar take and revenue.

Those in rugby circles will no doubt be aware of the negative feedback towards this cup competition and the RFU in general and we would like to take this opportunity to explain our position.

When we were informed of this competition we were told that it would be a cup essentially replacing the 4 fixtures we would lose due to the reduction in number of teams in our league from 14 to 12. A great idea in principle. However what we received was a season of uncertainty where no one knew how the competition would work or its format. Indeed with the league season finished we still didn’t know when or who we would be playing. The coaching team then had to battle to keep players engaged whilst we went through 4 weeks of inactivity due to getting a bye in the first round.

Once we knew the fixture (2 weeks prehand) there proved to be very little appetite from players to undertake a 200 mile plus round trip for a game. After a challenging season it is quite understandable.

It is interesting to point out that we are by no means the only club to be in this position. Many teams declined the invitation to take part in this cup and in the first round of the cup only 52% of the fixtures were completed (220 fixtures, 95 hwo/awo, 11 games postponed and only 115 games completed).

As a club we implore the RFU to wake up, listen to the clubs and players who are actively involved in playing week in week out and start to run community rugby in a sustainable fashion. With changes to league structures, poorly organized cup completions and the impending introduction of changes to the tackle height laws we genuinely worry for the short and long term future for Rugby Union clubs like ourselves.

The RFU purport to be putting the future of the game on a better footing by reducing the burden on players. However, playing less rugby with less opportunity for the clubs to earn their essential revenue will have the opposite effect; if clubs don't earn revenue from post-match bar take there will be no clubs for the players to associate with at all. RFU please wake up!
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Originally posted by Intouch Intouch wrote:

A post by Wolverhampton RFC: Totally spot on 

Unfortunately Wolverhampton Rugby Union Football Club   have had to concede their Papa John’s cup fixture away to Glossop RUFC  this weekend. We would firstly extend our apologies to Glossop and assure them we did everything we could do to select a squad and fulfil the fixture, we fully understand that they will be disappointed at the loss of a fixture and associated bar take and revenue.

Those in rugby circles will no doubt be aware of the negative feedback towards this cup competition and the RFU in general and we would like to take this opportunity to explain our position.

When we were informed of this competition we were told that it would be a cup essentially replacing the 4 fixtures we would lose due to the reduction in number of teams in our league from 14 to 12. A great idea in principle. However what we received was a season of uncertainty where no one knew how the competition would work or its format. Indeed with the league season finished we still didn’t know when or who we would be playing. The coaching team then had to battle to keep players engaged whilst we went through 4 weeks of inactivity due to getting a bye in the first round.

Once we knew the fixture (2 weeks prehand) there proved to be very little appetite from players to undertake a 200 mile plus round trip for a game. After a challenging season it is quite understandable.

It is interesting to point out that we are by no means the only club to be in this position. Many teams declined the invitation to take part in this cup and in the first round of the cup only 52% of the fixtures were completed (220 fixtures, 95 hwo/awo, 11 games postponed and only 115 games completed).

As a club we implore the RFU to wake up, listen to the clubs and players who are actively involved in playing week in week out and start to run community rugby in a sustainable fashion. With changes to league structures, poorly organized cup completions and the impending introduction of changes to the tackle height laws we genuinely worry for the short and long term future for Rugby Union clubs like ourselves.

The RFU purport to be putting the future of the game on a better footing by reducing the burden on players. However, playing less rugby with less opportunity for the clubs to earn their essential revenue will have the opposite effect; if clubs don't earn revenue from post-match bar take there will be no clubs for the players to associate with at all. RFU please wake up!

An excellent post which describes all aspects succinctly...when will the paid employees at TW1 start listening to their paymasters????  
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An excellent post which describes all aspects succinctly...when will the paid employees at TW1 start listening to their paymasters????  
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Is the Kent RFU council member Roger Clarke not the Chairman of TWells.

No. He's not. And hasn't been for some years. 

Nor is he DOR or first team coach... or connected to first team selection, or cajoling players to turn up for a poorly thought out cup competition.

No idea why TW pulled out, any more than I have why the other 100+ clubs have done the same, but it certainly wasn't anything to do with Roger Clarke.

The Wolverhampton RFC Club notice posted above lays out most of the issues. I know we struggled to put out a competitive side for the London Welsh fixture with a mix of injury and availability issues. I suspect it was even more challenging for a fixture involving a 220 mile round trip.


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Originally posted by BruceElliott BruceElliott wrote:

Originally posted by Intouch Intouch wrote:

Is the Kent RFU council member Roger Clarke not the Chairman of TWells.


No. He's not. And hasn't been for some years. 

Nor is he DOR or first team coach... or connected to first team selection, or cajoling players to turn up for a poorly thought out cup competition.

No idea why TW pulled out, any more than I have why the other 100+ clubs have done the same, but it certainly wasn't anything to do with Roger Clarke.

The Wolverhampton RFC Club notice posted above lays out most of the issues. I know we struggled to put out a competitive side for the London Welsh fixture with a mix of injury and availability issues. I suspect it was even more challenging for a fixture involving a 220 mile round trip.



I believe he is the president of Blackheath
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:



I believe he is the president of Blackheath

Blackheath RFC's website shows Dr Alan Thompson as President. I'd be surprised if Roger took on duties at Club level anywhere other than TW to be honest.
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The RFU really didn't think the penalties through. A club pulls out of a game, they get a 2 point deduction (which wasn't even publicised in the released material) which means they have little incentive to play their last game so pull out of that too which robs the other club of a match/revenue. 
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