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Originally posted by Breakdown Breakdown wrote:

Sweeney to one of the papers: "“We’ve shown that if you pour money into the existing structure of the Championship, it just doesn’t deliver. That’s not being disrespectful, it just doesn’t.”

Pour money in? Great Scott, they have dribbled money in and now expect others to take the place of the "non-delivering" Championship whose supporters have invested tens if not hundreds of millions into the league since it was set up. What an insult. Surely time for the game to stop letting these people get away with their arrogance and disingenuous propaganda?
Sweeney is a lying liar that lies. No other way to put it. From the invented targets, to promises to revamp minimum standards criteria, nothing he has ever said about the Championship has come true, except for funding cuts.


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The Premiership produces players who are not fit enough for international rugby, and stiffles opportunities for young players.

But there is no talk of cutting its funding.
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No it will go up because the PGP contains a similar amount of money but split between 10 clubs not 13. 
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Perhaps now is the time for Oxford and Cambridge Universities to join. They have facilities, they have access to players and could draft in the few spots they couldn't fill (?from Blackheath in Cambridge's case via Shanners Wink)

How good are BUCS clubs when compared to Championship? Exeter, Durham, Hartpury...
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So Sweeney has declared his hand for Prem 2 and unless the clubs agree to it then the RFU will not give them any money. I am sure that there will be more criteria but initially every club will have to have a stand ( size not yet stipulated) and have aspirations to get into the premiership ( i wonder who he is referring to?? )  Other New ground criteria not clarified but minimum attendance levels will be involved 5000-10000 for Premiership entry? 
Still will need to agree on aspirations, how would that be resolved with clubs who are effectively supported by Premiership clubs, for example could London Scottish be a premiership aspirational club.
Championship clubs have already advised the RFU that they do not want a league which will be filled by franchise clubs or clubs buying there way into the league from no where. 
I am not sure that there concept of a 14 team Prem 2 will get enough clubs which meet the criteria so far released and I am sure there is more to come. But obviously this is the RFU trying to bully the Championship into agreeing to this hybrid league.   
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Perhaps now is the time for Oxford and Cambridge Universities to join. They have facilities, they have access to players and could draft in the few spots they couldn't fill (?from Blackheath in Cambridge's case via Shanners Wink)

How good are BUCS clubs when compared to Championship? Exeter, Durham, Hartpury...



That does seem likely but Ex Uni play Nat 2 West.
Is that the same team as the BUCS team?
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https://cornish-pirates.com/rugby/championship-clubs-press-statement-2/

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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

The Premiership produces players who are not fit enough for international rugby, and stiffles opportunities for young players.

But there is no talk of cutting its funding.

Total ballix, just look at the Tigers side going to Exeter, eight of the squad are from the Tigers academy, with another four on the sick list.
Skippy Jones gave one cap to George Martin then binned him instead of bringing on youth like him for the world cup squad. right under the RFU's nose he got a tick on his cv and made sure England were never going to get near the Web Ellis Cup.
The current squads from academies are scattered all over the leagues getting playing time. A club "A" league worked really well, but it was binned because Wasps couldn't afford to run one and moaned they were at a disadvantage and the league and the game was dumbed down just to suit one club. The RFU are hell bent on getting Wasps back in the league as high as they think they can get away with it, they will tread on any Championship club that crosses them.
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It was based on a couple of quotes in the Guardian article.

Quote After this year’s Six Nations he [Borthwick] bemoaned how his players were not fit enough and how he lost all control as they went back to their clubs.


Quote "There is a determination to address the longstanding problem of promising young players struggling for game-time."
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Championship response
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Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Championship response


Yes, a strong statement, as also went on Pirates site earlier…
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Championship response


Yes, a strong statement, as also went on Pirates site earlier…


Also on Knights Facebook and Website. 
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Ditto Cambridge, who also emailed all members.
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I'd imagine it's on all Champ websites.
If not, why not?
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It would be good to have sight of the full 16 page RFU document referred to in at least one newspaper article if anyone could post a link to it please.
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Originally posted by Breakdown Breakdown wrote:

Sweeney to one of the papers: "“We’ve shown that if you pour money into the existing structure of the Championship, it just doesn’t deliver. That’s not being disrespectful, it just doesn’t.”

Pour money in? Great Scott, they have dribbled money in and now expect others to take the place of the "non-delivering" Championship whose supporters have invested tens if not hundreds of millions into the league since it was set up. What an insult. Surely time for the game to stop letting these people get away with their arrogance and disingenuous propaganda?

He has a point, the RFU have poured money into Sweeney and that’s not worked either!
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They seem to think we (The Championship) can be rail roaded into doing this, or is it some ploy to pee us off so they can be rid of us once and for all and they can do their own thing. This seems like some form of threat or posturing from them. Their obviously only concerned with how the England side is doing as it generates the majority of their income, f@#k the rest of us, they might miss out on a weekend away somewhere.

I don’t think we have ever been in such a powerful position as a league, early days but I hope, which from the early statement it seems we have, tell them to do one, they need us far more than we need them at the moment. Their lack of financial support and support in any other way has made the majority of us independent of the RFU.
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Why would anyone invest in the three failed Premiership clubs and Jersey knowing it will cost more to run than they would ever get back in any kind of income. You can be assured that any money from the RFU would be substantially less than what the Premiership clubs will receive and TV revenues and coverage would be negligible, therefore reducing any commercial income.

Pure madness but if anyone reading this falls for it, I have some beans and NFTs for sale. 😉
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Why would anyone invest in the three failed Premiership clubs and Jersey knowing it will cost more to run than they would ever get back in any kind of income. You can be assured that any money from the RFU would be substantially less than what the Premiership clubs will receive and TV revenues and coverage would be negligible, therefore reducing any commercial income.

Pure madness but if anyone reading this falls for it, I have some beans and NFTs for sale. 😉

As usual Richard you have got this spot on.

The leadership of the RFU are:

- deluded
- incompetent
- unscrupulous
- undemocratic

They are leading our sport over the abyss into oblivion
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This is absurd, the very mention of ‘Brand’ causes my eyes to glaze over.  This Sweeney character is really having a laugh with his ‘you can’t pour money in’ line, some gaslighting going on methinks. The Championship clubs need to stand four-square on this issue.
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