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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2024 at 15:52
There is a rogue space in that link

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2024 at 16:59
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

There is a rogue space in that link

Odd, can't see one (and only copy/pasted it) but, cheers.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2024 at 17:37
Sometimes when a link it copies, it manages to include a trailing space, which you cannot see.

But it gets converted to %20 in the link text - and causes the link not to work.
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If we were forced to choose between Wasps, Worcester and London Irish, then which would be preferred? Personally, I would choose Worcester, as they have a stadium, and a passionate fan base.  They would also add to the geographic spread of the league. They were ruined by Cowboys. London Irish would be good for Ealing, as their fans always showed up in large numbers, and they didn't hurt too many people when they went bust. Wasps hurt lots of people, have messed around their fans, and Dallaglio annoys me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2024 at 23:22
Gun to the head? Then, Worcester.
But only with that gun.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2024 at 08:23
London Irish owed over £50m, partly to Powerday, but also to HMRC and Sport England.
130 people were made redundant.
And the future of the amateur club is still not resolved, as we do not knwo who will buy Hazelwood.



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Latest from London Irish Amateurs, per the residents' association website:

"Following the recent press coverage and social media posts regarding the possible re-forming of the London Irish Professional Team, I am writing to provide you with an update on our project to secure a long term home for London Irish Amateur RFC at Hazelwood.

Our position
London Irish Amateur RFC has a long lease over much of Hazelwood.  The site is also subject to very detailed planning obligations, requiring it to be used for community rugby, community sports and other community activities.  In further recognition of the site’s status, Spelthorne Council recently accepted our application to register Hazelwood as an Asset of Community Value.

Increased Community Usage of Hazelwood
As we informed you some months ago we are partnering with the London GAA and Brentford Football Club Community Sports Trust in our project to acquire Hazelwood for the community.  We are now seeing both organisations increasing their usage of Hazelwood.

Extensive Support for our Plan
We are confident our plan is deliverable and it has extensive support from our members, partners, and the community.

Engagement with other bidders
We have always accepted it is possible another party may acquire Hazelwood and thus become our landlord. Since the administration we have engaged with a number of these parties. Our position remains we are happy to discuss with any bidders how Hazelwood could be shared.

London Irish Amateur RFC will not be making any comment on the recent media reports.

We strongly believe Hazelwood must remain a community asset. We have a plan which achieves this."

In other news, the RFU have reset the boundaries of the academies from next season, and the school in Sunbury which previously ran the London Irish ACE will now be working with Harlequins.  Seen lots of people in Quins kit wandering around Hazelwood in recent weeks, so expect that the ACE will still be based there rather than at Quins' training ground in Guildford.
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

If we were forced to choose between Wasps, Worcester and London Irish, then which would be preferred? Personally, I would choose Worcester, as they have a stadium, and a passionate fan base.  They would also add to the geographic spread of the league. They were ruined by Cowboys. London Irish would be good for Ealing, as their fans always showed up in large numbers, and they didn't hurt too many people when they went bust. Wasps hurt lots of people, have messed around their fans, and Dallaglio annoys me.

A difficult choice but I know who would be third on my list!
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The common thread between those three clubs, is that none of them are clubs, they are names of clubs with snazzy logos. The last time any of them actually played a game of rugby was more than two years ago for Wasps and Worcester and May 23 for LI. 

London Irish and Wasps have no players to form a team let alone a squad, no coaches, no venue to play in, no academy and don't have three years of accounts (a requirement for prem 2) to show. They don't have most of the requirements to enter prem2 based on the documentation. 

Worcester are ahead of the other two because they can satisfy the venue requirements. However, they don't have any players, coaches nor do they have three years of accounts for an operational business. 

If any of the three get through this ahead of a club that can satisfy all the requirements (I suspect no one will satisfy them all given you need a camera platform at 7.6metres for some reason) I suspect there will be some form of litigation taking place. Especially given the number of clubs in the top five tiers who've had to start again from the bottom for whatever reason.

The RFU have yet again created another problem for themselves that didn't need to happen. 
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Does anyone know whether all the existing Championship clubs intend to try and meet the minimum operating standards for prem 2?

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Originally posted by Seejay Seejay wrote:

Does anyone know whether all the existing Championship clubs intend to try and meet the minimum operating standards for prem 2?


There are some who just don't have a hope of doing it (on covered seating) and some who don't have any control over their grounds (naming no McNames)


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Have any clubs announced whether they do or do not intend to meet the MOS?

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New MOS - planning permission for 10,001 must be in place before promotion. (leader - TRP today)

Championship clubs are happy as you can imagine and seeking legal advice 

I wonder if this has anything to do with Newcastle's improved performance of late.
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From what ve heard most wouldn’t want to , what use is a humongous plasma screen just in case you have a match televised, would imagine several would not get planning permission (Caldy, Ampthill & Cambridge)
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Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

From what ve heard most wouldn’t want to , what use is a humongous plasma screen just in case you have a match televised, would imagine several would not get planning permission (Caldy, Ampthill & Cambridge)

I've got a portable 14" B&W tele - surely that would do.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Nov 2024 at 16:51
There was a Coventry interview linked on one of the threads that covered this.
The cost of just getting planning for everything needed, is tremendous.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Nov 2024 at 17:24
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

There was a Coventry interview linked on one of the threads that covered this.
The cost of just getting planning for everything needed, is tremendous.

Which is what the RFU is banking on.
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More coverage in a national title, casting further opprobrium in the direction of the RFU & Prem Rugby...

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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

From what ve heard most wouldn’t want to , what use is a humongous plasma screen just in case you have a match televised, would imagine several would not get planning permission (Caldy, Ampthill & Cambridge)

I've got a portable 14" B&W tele - surely that would do.

I trust is has a coat hanger as an aerial! 
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

New MOS - planning permission for 10,001 must be in place before promotion. (leader - TRP today)

Championship clubs are happy as you can imagine and seeking legal advice 

I wonder if this has anything to do with Newcastle's improved performance of late.

The disdain shown to the Championship Clubs in my opinion is deplorable as shown in how Cambridge and Chinnor were treated.


Don’t be surprised then when the likes of Worcester, Wasps & Irish resurface to restore the old guard with ready made plans to have stadiums in excess of 10,000 and I know Worcesters already is.


I really believe they don’t care about the Championship or any leagues below.


While self interest dictates proceedings, the clubs will be grateful for pickings like beggars, being thrown bones to the floor by the Kings and courtiers at the high table in the dark ages.

Why not just admit the three aforementioned clubs directly into the Prem and let the Championship clubs and below have their own control?


Rugby is alive and well in the National Leagues but aside from the established clubs and a few exceptions no one comes near 10,000 in attendances.

I have been in Clifton Lane with more than 4,000 in it, packed to the rafters with temporary stands etc and an absolutely fantastic atmosphere when we played the likes of Quins and Saracens. This is what Rugby is. Not watching the likes of London Irish playing at the Madejski Stadium with 4 or 5 thousand rattling around in a 20 odd thousand stadium. 


When will these people learn? This is not football. Sure some teams get great attendances but they will not get them at every game, unlike the Internationals and most of the established clubs in the Prem, with the exception of Sale & Newcastle. 


From the attendances I have been able to find Newcastle average around 5,000 (some more, some less) which in itself tells a story. How long have they been in the Prem now? Quite a long time. Not a Rugby city.


 How many clubs outside the current Prem get crowds even half the 10,000 ? Sure if teams go up there might be the novelty factor, but consistently…I think not, and certainly not when the poor club starts getting a few beatings.

This is the Prem by the way. I have not even mentioned Championship attendances yet.


The criteria is absolute tosh and needs to be called out for the sham that it is.


Wake up!!! Why are they trying to kill the club game below the Prem? It would be better if they did nothing.


Exeter & Worcester are relatively new and are exceptions, but most of the rest such as Leicester, Gloucester, Bath have always played at level 1. 


Harlequins, Newcastle, Sarries and Sale have only fleetingly been outside the top flight in the last 30 years. Bristol more so, but they always got back…..after a few beatings from Roth along the way😜


Saracens for me was the worst of the bunch where, I recall during Covid, a restricted season 2020/21 of 11 games in the Championship was put together to secure them promotion, with a season starting in March!!!

Would they have done it for Pirates, Ealing or Roth? I think we all know the answer to that.



I must admit I did smile when Sarries lost 25-17 at Pirates in their first game that season. For a moment I wondered what would have happened if they finished second? Oops they did. They had a play off over two legs with Ealing. Playing a star studded squad they hammered Ealing, with the likes of Farrell and Vinopola in their team. Ealing never stood a chance.



The Prem is a mess. Don’t let them ruin the Championship too and the proud clubs in it who work their hind legs off to get where they are, just to let some so called failed big names in. 


As I said just parachute those who can achieve those attendances ( in a proper Primary Rugby ground- not football stadiums) into the Prem and let them sort the mess out. Then let the rest get on with proper club Rugby.



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