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rugbychris 
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67976683
He just reminds me of Boris or Trump. Words jumbled together in any order that mean absolutely nothing.
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Cricks at 2
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I am really tired of the ‘why wouldn’t you want those Brands in the proposed league’? The answer is because they were willing to be financially irresponsible in order to sit at the top table and should follow the long path back. They must make way for clubs that are more sensible with their finances. |
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KnightsBoy
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 09:48 |
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Agreed, just waiting for a few more big boys to fold
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 10:53 |
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Funding was first cut when Sweeney came in 2019, from base of £650,000 to £375,000, then during 2020-21 season it was reduced to £150,000 base but with 'promise' that it would be restored to pre-Covid (£375,000) as soon as the pandemic was over and crowds were allowed back.
Rugby union is the only major sport where central funding has not been restored to pre-pandemic levels. And the answer on brands is pretty simple. The phrase we are looking for is "moral hazard". If you can behave badly with a reasonable expectation that you will not be held to account and it is in your interests to behave badly, then for some people behaving badly becomes a simple moral choice. You should because you can. Which is the reversal of how the game of rugby has always told itself it wants to behave. |
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Broken down. Beyond repair.
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Runitback
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 12:55 |
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I cannot believe the arrogance and ignorace of the man, his latest interview for BBC Cornwall beggars belief.
"Why would you not want brands like Wasps in the second tier" . . and he wants to make the second tier investable . . well £40m went into Wasps. Is the Premiership investable . . huge cummulative loses. Look at the crowds Coventry and Bedford are getting . . . now that looks sustainable. The man and RFU are clueless
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Run with it
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Camquin
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 13:40 |
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How big a brand is Wasps anyway? When they were in the Premiership in Coventry, they rarely broke 10,000 and there are reports that they gave away substantial numbers of tickets. How many would go to second tier matches in Kent?
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 14:01 |
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I've said before and I'll say it again if Wasps (and London Irish) are such big brands why aren't their amateur arms swatting away sponsors, spectators and receiving blanket press coverage? |
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Rabbie Burns
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 14:15 |
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At the moment Camquin, very few as the proposed site has no public transport links so that would be an additional cost. The premiership rugby fans in Kent have a huge tie in with Saracens and they are very active in the clubs in this area through the DPP and get them in early plus Harlequins have a decent following so IMO Wasps would be starting with the few that were left when they played in London and trying to build from ground zero
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So many Christians not enough Lions
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Big Eddie
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So Prem 11 gets £4m but £2.4m is not under the control of the Championship clubs sorry the Prem11 clubs leaving £1.6m for 10 or 12 clubs which is £133k -£160k pa each. Is all this just smoke and mirrors?
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''The future isn't what it used to be''
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Camquin
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 16:26 |
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No, you need some thought to use smoke and mirrors. Apparently Bill Sweeney was at lunch last week, that is two games in a row he has watched Cambridge. So there is obviously nothing wrong with our brand of rugby - save for this week's result. Now, I do not do lunch, so I did not see him.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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A. Gorilla
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 16:27 |
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So 11k a month per club minimum, I know a few clubs who would bite your hand off for that.
All depends if Prem II is going to be just for the fully pro clubs or not. Does anyone know? That's the key point as 11k a month to them is peanuts, but to the likes of the Mob, Caldy, Cambridge, Notts and Scottish etc its a nice little bit of funding to help them out.
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KnightsBoy
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 16:32 |
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Have the RFU stated where the championship clubs who refuse their plan get relegated too?
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A. Gorilla
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 16:42 |
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I've heard talk of them going back to what is Nat 1, and a few of the ambitious Nat 1 clubs being shunted up to take their place and getting support to go fully pro, I'm guessing the likes of Albion and Moseley who are big names of old and have the stands and facilities etc, and the newer ones at currently at the top - Chinnor and Rams. No idea what's happened to Sale, they're on their way to Nat 2 North at this rate, used to be there or thereabouts for promotion and Heywood Rds a great day out.
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Runitback
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 17:05 |
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I am not sure Moseley or Albion would keen, it bankrupted one of them previously and nearly did the other too!!! Rams and Chinnor dont really have any infrastructure.
But either Rams or Chinnor could get promoted at the end of the season and then find they dont conform to the rules for Prem 2 and get immediately demoted the season after . . so as a club how do you plan your recruitment? Farcial.
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Camquin
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 17:08 |
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It appears to be the same money you get in the championship today - though eroded by inflation. And with more restriction on how you spend it. Most of that goes, as I said earlier, on having an ambulance at the ground - which is not a requirement in National Leagues. It is certainly not going to encourage new consortia to bid for a franchise. Which national 1 clubs, apart from Darlington Mowdem Park and possibly Plymouth, have a stadiums with 5,000 seats. Plymouth are spending £21 million on the wider Brickfields site.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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Kimbo
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 21:20 |
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5000 seats at Plymouth? I'd be surprised if there's half that.
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 22:05 |
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8500 capacity but no idea how many seats, taken from Wiki
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Kimbo
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Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 22:49 |
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8500 notionally. Two stands - one standing only, one with, I'd say 2000 seats, maybe a few more.
They did have a temporary uncovered seated stand once, but that's long gone.
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A. Gorilla
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Posted: 16 Jan 2024 at 07:38 |
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They have the space and footprint for 5k+ down there. Moseley and Sale also, along with DMP if they're talking about a more even spread around the country including northern teams.
Also heard that Rams have a planning application in to move site and build a larger ground with stands - looks like they are scooping up some of the old Irish fans still after their rugby fix as it's down the road from Reading and 30 mins from London on the train.
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Camquin
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Posted: 16 Jan 2024 at 09:00 |
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Rams move seems more about growing the wider club, with more pitches for mini and youth, than just about improving the first team facilities. Apparently they have a waiting list to join the mini and youth, as they do not have space for them. Wikipedia gives the following figures. They are as accurate as anything on that site. 25,000 seats -------------- Darlington 5,000 capacity and > 1,000 seats -------------------------------------- Coventry Bedford Doncaster Plymouth Birmingham 5,000 Capacity < 1,000 seats ---------------------------------- Guernsey Camborne Fylde Otley Preston Several sides are just below 5,000.
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