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Topic: Twickenham
Posted By: Camquin
Subject: Twickenham
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2025 at 12:16
https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/populous-wsp-turner-townsend-arup-working-on-ambitious-twickenham-stadium-upgrade-19-03-2025/" rel="nofollow - https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/populous-wsp-turner-townsend-arup-working-on-ambitious-twickenham-stadium-upgrade-19-03-2025/

I am not sure if this has much that we have not heard before, but it shows how much work is needed, and how large a team that needs.

I believe that this is all dependent on Richmond council granting a licence for more non-rugby events.




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Posted By: Deva Delinquent
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2025 at 12:47
I was reading a similar article on another site earlier today.

Unless they get the council on side, having more than three concerts annually will never go ahead.


Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2025 at 13:20
The suggested moves to elsewhere in the country are bluffs to force the council to give in and allow more none rugby events. The cost of building a stadium equivalent to Twickenham would be in the Billions and many years away. How this would be funded is what no one is mentioning. 

The irony is they need more non rugby events because they are spending too much on rugby!




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Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2025 at 13:30
The RFU senior team are effectively more of an events management company than guardians of a sport.


Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2025 at 13:39
It's all about the money with them, not about getting as many fans in to watch the highest level of sport as they can. I hope the council block this.


Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2025 at 12:14
If it was Birmingham or Milton Keynes.
Have to be Birmingham for its rails links and airport.
Unless Concrete cows and roundabouts are a thing.


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Posted By: SK 88
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2025 at 11:59
Going into it with BCFC and building a stadium on their site right near HS2's new station would be a much better location than Twickenham for me.

Really the RFU should sell a share of Twickenham and spin it off into its own company regardless.  As above, the RFU's role is not to be a stadium management company, the IRFU for instance owns a share of the Aviva but does not run it, and that seems much more successful as a model. 


Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2025 at 18:13
A substantial part of RFUs income comes from the Stadium.  Without it or only a partial share of it that would fall.

What really needs to be cut is the outgoings, and the vast majority of those are to 10 clubs, so the RFU have access to about 50 players per season, a deal which hasn't been particularly successful... 


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Posted By: SK 88
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2025 at 12:52
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

A substantial part of RFUs income comes from the Stadium.  Without it or only a partial share of it that would fall.

What really needs to be cut is the outgoings, and the vast majority of those are to 10 clubs, so the RFU have access to about 50 players per season, a deal which hasn't been particularly successful... 

Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity.

The stadium costs a huge amount to administer and will cost half a billion to redevelop.  They already contract out the catering so have to share the profits from corporate hosptality with Compass (or Centreplate or whatever they're called now).

Looking at the RFU figures you'll see that they actually have to spend more on "non-rugby" which is principally the stadium than Rugby in most years, it's only under Sweeny that we've had any years where rugby spending outstripped other costs.  Broadcasting & Sponsorship (pre-Allianz) would be unaffected which are the main drivers of profit margin, ticketing & banqueting drive a lot of revenue but often at poor margins.  Having Twickenham spun off would mean the stadium has to run properly and in its own best interests, with the share of the surplus then transparent and being able to put into the wider game whilst broadcasting & sponsorship produced solely in the pro game stays in the pro game.

Compared to our rivals we vastly under invest in professional rugby, and the complaints from the Championship are that we are underspending on pro rugby in their area too.  Perhaps if we spent more in the pro game we'd make our best players better and then get the results for England that seems to be the main complaint people really have? 


Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2025 at 14:07
I don’t think the main complaints are about the performance of the England team at all.
They are about the systematic defunding of clubs from the Championship down.


Posted By: JZSmith
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2025 at 12:54
Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

I don’t think the main complaints are about the performance of the England team at all.
They are about the systematic defunding of clubs from the Championship down.

Absolutely.


Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2025 at 13:02
Ditto - for the majority the performances of the England team are no more than a side issue. We are all tied up with trying to run our clubs rather than watching box-kicking and scrum re-set competitions


Posted By: Breakdown
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2025 at 17:41
For each participant that drops out of the game, a whole family becomes less likely to buy a or try to buy a Twickenham ticket. As competition/demand for tickets falls, prices will be harder to sustain. Even a vaguely successful England team could still fail to sell out Twickenham if the only people playing rugby are some private schools and a couple of hundred clubs. 

There have been 700 walkovers this season alone. Apart from the loss of income to club bars, there is an incalculable loss of enthusiasm and participation. Which obviously becomes a vicious cycle. 




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Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2025 at 21:20
Originally posted by Breakdown Breakdown wrote:

For each participant that drops out of the game, a whole family becomes less likely to buy a or try to buy a Twickenham ticket. As competition/demand for tickets falls, prices will be harder to sustain. Even a vaguely successful England team could still fail to sell out Twickenham if the only people playing rugby are some private schools and a couple of hundred clubs. 

There have been 700 walkovers this season alone. Apart from the loss of income to club bars, there is an incalculable loss of enthusiasm and participation. Which obviously becomes a vicious cycle. 


That’s a pretty extraordinary statistic. Wonder what the sainted Bills think about that, or whether they are remotely aware of it.



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