Disciplinary time
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Topic: Disciplinary time
Posted By: OldNick
Subject: Disciplinary time
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 19:00
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It looks like Bedford will be borrowing a new #9 for three weeks, after Northampton's Connor Tupai was cited for the tip tackle that dumped Coventry's Will Owen on his head last weekend. https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/cd/cd3ddd99-fefc-45e5-806e-a231cd68f691/TupaiBedfordBluesJudgmentMar21.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/cd/cd3ddd99-fefc-45e5-806e-a231cd68f691/TupaiBedfordBluesJudgmentMar21.pdf |
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 21:25
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There was another hearing this week, involving Toby Williams (Nottingham v Ealing): https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/db/db6f7368-e41c-472e-8b7b-cd8c9f1cfcf5/WilliamsNottinghamRugbyJudgmentMar21.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/db/db6f7368-e41c-472e-8b7b-cd8c9f1cfcf5/WilliamsNottinghamRugbyJudgmentMar21.pdf
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 08 May 2021 at 07:33
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I struggle to understand why there should be such a wide discrepancy in the sanctions applied by the RFU in recent cases: https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/de/dee76bdd-f552-4a7e-bb35-206e9f0bbfc6/Dave%20Ward%20-%20May21.jpg" rel="nofollow - Dave Ward - May21.jpg (2560×1440) (englandrugby.com) https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/75/75726a86-5be2-4676-86a5-6d8b0fbbdf53/Kuki%20Maafu%20-%20Apr21%20%28red%20card%29.jpg" rel="nofollow - Kuki Ma'afu - Apr21 (red card).jpg (2560×1440) (englandrugby.com) https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/a2/a287c3bc-5e7d-438d-a9ea-a20ebafbf6c5/Mark%20Best%20-%20Mar21.jpg" rel="nofollow - Mark Best - Mar21.jpg (2560×1440) (englandrugby.com) ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 08 May 2021 at 09:43
| Agreed, we feel hard done by at Donny |
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 08 May 2021 at 11:04
I believe it is better to read the whole report rather than the headlines: https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/a8/a884ef54-b9fc-4e4e-91c6-84bb29641925/BestDoncasterKnightsJudgmentMar21.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/a8/a884ef54-b9fc-4e4e-91c6-84bb29641925/BestDoncasterKnightsJudgmentMar21.pdf https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/75/7545d326-b001-403f-9b68-19c81961dceb/MaafuJerseyJudgmentApr21%28final%29.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/75/7545d326-b001-403f-9b68-19c81961dceb/MaafuJerseyJudgmentApr21(final).pdf https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/ea/ea654b41-1c40-4a33-8203-a6325960789b/WardAmpthill%26DistrictJudgmentMay21%28final%29.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/ea/ea654b41-1c40-4a33-8203-a6325960789b/WardAmpthill%26DistrictJudgmentMay21(final).pdf
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corporalcarrot wrote:Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 08 May 2021 at 11:45
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The Mark Best document is pretty gruesome, I won't quote all of it, but the below is...bad. Exacerbated by (according to the RFU) no show of remorse. Even allowing for the fact that this was a dynamic situation, we
were unable to accept that Mr Best could not tell the difference between
the ball and the face of his opponent. He said that he could not see the
ball but yet, as he freely admitted, he nevertheless decided to try and
rip what he was holding. Thus, with his hand on the face of his victim,
perilously close to the eyes, and with a finger or fingers in the nostril or
nostrils he ripped the opponents head up using significant force. This
ripping action caused the gaping wound that we have described and
which we have seen in person.
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Posted By: maire23
Date Posted: 08 May 2021 at 12:52
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I’ve been reading quite a lot of these documents as part of my research for my uni dissertation. I’ve seen some pretty gruesome stuff but the worst seems to be in the very amateur games, I was surprised that there was such an incident in a Championship game. I don’t see how Doncaster could feel hard done to in a sanction of the type given in the Best incident. No excuse for that.
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Posted By: Monkey Boy
Date Posted: 08 May 2021 at 17:18
I wonder what a criminal court would make of that? Is the affected player going down that route?
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Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 08 May 2021 at 18:18
Don't know about that, but he did get up and hit the next ruck apparently - pretty tough for a 10! What is frustrating from a Pirates perspective is that, had the ref or assistants seen this, the player would have been sent off and the outcome of the game may well have been different (Donny won by a couple of points).
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 08 May 2021 at 19:04
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My concern in all this was the difference in the sanction between 1 week for an offence which was admitted as intentional foul play by a player who apparently was not defined as as a repeat offender whilst at the same time not defined as having a good record and the sanctions applied to the other lads whose offences were apparently accepted as unintentional. ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 08 May 2021 at 20:13
I believe that incidents involving contact with the face/head will attract a greater sanction than tripping of players - unless the act of tripping is proven to cause an injury that leads to a player leaving the pitch. As the David Ward disciplinary report says:
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 08 May 2021 at 20:34
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Thanks Steve. I'm still at a loss to understand how intentional foul play can ever be considered less serious than other rugby incidents which have been accepted as unintentional but just happened to involve head contact. ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: OldNick
Date Posted: 09 May 2021 at 10:21
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If a player slaps someone around the face with an open hand, causing no injury apart from a little redening, that is intentional foul play, and contact with the head. It 8s however essentially harmless.
If a player running backwards to take a high ball crashes through the legs 8f a jumping player, it can bring him down on his head/shoulders, or back from a significant height, potentially ending his career or worse. One is totally deliberate, the other careless or reckless. Which 8s the most serious?
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2021 at 21:19
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Two cases from Round 11 https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/8c/8c39d5e8-2067-4cea-a086-871d4bdf6f20/CurryBedfordBluesJudgmentJune21.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/8c/8c39d5e8-2067-4cea-a086-871d4bdf6f20/CurryBedfordBluesJudgmentJune21.pdf https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/ef/ef1cbddd-b4d7-49a9-91be-d42898f715f0/KirwanNottinghamJudgmentJun21%28final%29.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/ef/ef1cbddd-b4d7-49a9-91be-d42898f715f0/KirwanNottinghamJudgmentJun21(final).pdf
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Posted By: dunc999
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2021 at 13:06
| Looks like it might have triggered Curry's decision to retire at 25! |