HMQ - Games off?
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Topic: HMQ - Games off?
Posted By: PiffPaff
Subject: HMQ - Games off?
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 13:54
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One would assume if HM the Queen should pass, then all games off this weekend?
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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 15:00
If they hold to the plans as they always have been, and resist the urge to modernise, then I would agree. I think basically everything grinds to a halt. ------------- keep the faith |
PiffPaff wrote:Posted By: CJB1
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 16:45
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In 1952, after the death of George VI, rugby called its games off, but association football carried on. But back then rugby union wasn't professional, and it is now. So who knows. ------------- "What I need is a strong drink and a peer group" |
Posted By: oldman
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 16:51
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None league week on Oct 8th. so just means a months delay. ------------- oldman |
Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 17:18
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It’s inconceivable that ANY sporting game would take place during any period of mourning for our Queen. In 1997 when Princess Diana died, we were due to play Orrell on that weekend & I know that was called off. ------------- I could have been a contender. |
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 17:52
| I believe the Queen has passed away (official announcement imminent), and out of respect all sporting fixtures should be postponed. |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 18:25
"Out of respect" shouldn't one wait for official confirmation of something happening (if indeed anything has) rather than posting unsubstantiated rumours?!
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Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 18:27
| Celebrate the life of a unique and incredible woman. Mourning is a bit old hat. |
Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 18:35
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So its official, Rest In Peace ------------- Crouch, Bind, Tweet! |
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 18:54
My apologies if I have offended you.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 18:55
It's nothing major, I said what I wanted to say. Thanks for apologising...
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 19:25
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 19:38
| I like old hat...................... |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 19:50
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I would suggest a 2 minutes silence before the games. It is a very sad loss for the nation, she served us well may she rest in peace. ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 20:15
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I read that before the second half of the hazelnutnal game, they had a two minute silence. The very least our sport can do is hold a silence before a match. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: Sail By
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 20:50
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Scottish RFU just postponed all rugby. The RFU will follow very shortly in my opinion. RIP Your Majesty.
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Posted By: Puli.
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 20:59
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1st home game of the season this weekend, but my club will have to do without me . ------------- If Rugby is the game they play in Heaven ..... Why does it hurt like Hell when you retire? |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 22:05
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According to a Yorkshire RFU post on Facebook "A further update will be posted tomorrow regarding this weekend's matches." ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2022 at 22:13
| I expect they will be. Football is going to do it and cricket already has |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 08:06
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The RFU needs to make an announcement regarding rugby as early as possible today. Any delay will complicate an already difficult situation. There is historical precedent and my understanding is that other sports have already announced their intentions to suspend their activities. Personally I don't know what the right thing to do is but I know a lot of people who I am close to are more certain in their views and I very much respect their sense of allegiance and loyalty to the Queen, and their propriety. As I write this, at a time when the world is spinning ever faster it is becoming clear to me that taking time out to pay proper respect to an individual who for 75 years has displayed the most selfless sense of duty has to be the right thing to do. The RFU has to make the announcement quickly - because the more I think about it there is really no decision to make
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Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 08:30
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Big Eddie
I hear what you say, and agree, but how we mourn as a society has changed. In the not too distant past applause to celebrate a life, especially of a young one, would be unheard of. People now want to celebrate a life, and that could never be more pertinent than in her Majesty's case. That said, I'm fairly sure all matches will be cancelled and that the state funeral will be on a weekend, and everything will be off again. A remarkable woman, a remarkable monarch, but IMV living life does not disrespect the dead.
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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 08:35
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My wife is currently (on her day off) cancelling a massive event for tomorrow, ringing round suppliers etc. ------------- keep the faith |
Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 08:36
I *think* current plans are for state funeral Monday week, but how that works without an emergency bank holiday....
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 08:40
Backrowbob, Personally I agree with everything you say and that is actually my stance as well. However, I have so many close friends who will want to mourn in the traditional manner and this coupled with society's increasingly frantic pace gave me pause for thought last night. Accordingly I believe it is right for society to slow down for a period and reflect on an individual who gave herself to others for her entire life, with no let up and no complaint. ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 09:13
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It has now gone 9 a.m. and as far as I am aware there has not yet been any official guidance from the RFU. Caldy is easily the smallest club in the Championship and it relies on its members sponsors and events. Last night out of respect it moved quickly to cancel today's fundraising lunch for 200 at the club, however without clear direction from the RFU Caldy cannot unilaterally cancel tomorrow's home game against Hartpury. Caldy are in limbo this morning and with 300 guests arriving for lunch tomorrow, clear and immediate direction is crucial. Where is the RFU??? Since its promotion to the Championship the RFU has required Caldy to not only undertake a myriad of infrastructure improvements and enhanced media and communications changes but also to put in place the following : Medical needs assessment plan Operations plan A stewarding plan A temporary ground plan A contingency plan A major incident plan A go critical plan Where is the RFU's plan for what was clearly a foreseen event that was certain to happen ?
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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 09:57
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The problem for many clubs is the fact that they will be travelling today and staying overnight for the game tomorrow and in the case of Richmond they are scheduled to play Cornish Pirates away tonight!! With hotel accommodation already booked. We need the answer now surely the RFU have a contingency plan for such an expected event. |
Posted By: Steve@Mose
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:17
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/62840622" rel="nofollow - Sporting events called off following death of Queen Elizabeth II
I expect the RFU will seek to postpone this weekend's matches, and hopefully Premiership Rugby will be in agreement.
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Posted By: oldman
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:19
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It appears theatre's are continuing with planned performances after advise from the government. Does this set a precedent? ------------- oldman |
Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:25
doubt it - there isn't a league body for theatres so it's more a question of admitting defeat before (some, presumably) theatres turned round and said 'we're not shutting, do one' On the other hand, they have *because they do control it* canned the last night of the Proms. Much easier for sports with a single governing body to lay the law down - either way. But what I think is happening is the RFU waiting for the FA to jump, because then it gets top cover. Of course, when George VI died the FA played on, and the RFU cancelled everything... ------------- keep the faith |
Posted By: Hare today!
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:30
I think they're waiting for clear direction from the Dept of Culture, Media and Sport. We might hear something by Tuesday 
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:31
| The RFU are awaiting the outcome of a DCMS meeting that I believe started at 0830. It's true that a prompt decision is needed - let alone the weekend, there are 2 Prem + 2 Champ games tonight: Richmond must have set off for Penzance some time ago, and also Saints heading up to Sale... and the Reds have a flight to catch (or not) at 1340 |
Posted By: Jester10
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:31
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10.30 and nothing from RFU. Chinnor are supposed to be hosting Rams tonight. This is ridiculous ------------- Enjoying life! |
Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:33
| One has to make allowances for the carers to get the RFU members ready in a morning |
Posted By: jimbojetset
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:36
| It's almost as if the RFU wants to appear as incompetent as they can.... Make a decision one way or the other, but for crying out loud make a decision. |
Posted By: Hare today!
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:39
| Just reported that DCMS have said recommend call off but they've left the ultimate decision to the Premier League & the FA, nothing re RFU so I guess RFU will follow Footballs lead. |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:42
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This from Bristol POst reporter... John Evely @JohnEvely_BPost · The Gallagher Premiership's organising body appear to be sitting on their hands waiting for direction from the Government, but Super League, EFL, Scottish Rugby Union, ECB, European Tour Group golf, and British Horseracing Authority have all managed to make a decision alone. |
Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:43
| After the Death of the last Monarch, the FA ran a full program of matches 3 days after |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:45
Yes just saw this via Times reporter... https://twitter.com/martynziegler/status/1568170389452242944" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/martynziegler/status/1568170389452242944
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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:45
Yes and the RFU didn't. So you can pick your preferred way forward as either has a precedent. What we've instead got is the RFU running scared at the start of the Prem season and consequently not getting on with making a decision. Either way, frankly. ------------- keep the faith |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:52
Basically they bottled it. Leaving it up to the respective governing bodies, none of whom have the bravery to make the first move.
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Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 10:58
I actually think that's the correct decision. I don't think enforcing it on anyone is worthwhile. It's down to the governing bodies to govern and show their own leadership. I can happily accept either decision, but they need to get on with it |
Posted By: Tyke
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 11:09
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The RFU will conduct a survey of all stakeholders to canvass their opinions and then do the exact opposite. ------------- If only Webb-Ellis hadn't given them the ball back! |
Posted By: Neasham
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 11:40
| All football now off. RFU must do the same. |
Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 11:43
actually wasn't expecting that given the DCMS guidance, but if the RFU do go ahead now it's a bloody stupid decision. ------------- keep the faith |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 11:45
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The RFU's continuing silence isn't helping. ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: jimbojetset
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 11:45
They’re leaving it too late. Some teams may already be setting off, hotels will have been paid for etc. If they’d done this yesterday (when Scottish Rugby did) then clubs who are already struggling are going to have an even bigger issue. |
Posted By: jimbojetset
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 11:46
Shameful and sadly unsurprising
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 11:47
Correct Jimbo - I fear it is too late. ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 11:53
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The RFU's role as the governing body for English rugby requires clear and prompt decision making and guidance. To pass the buck to DCMS is unacceptable.......the RFU's inaction and lack of communication has compounded the sadness of the Queen's death. There will be so many small clubs like Caldy stuck in limbo along with their suppliers and event staff not able to make their own decisions without clear guidance. I am sure every supporter, administrator and supplier would have understood if the RFU had provided clear guidance last night or say 7 a.m. this morning - whatever that guidance was. ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: Fake_Shemp
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 11:57
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Mowden have the shortest trip of the season scheduled, with a game at Hull tomorrow. It's a good job we aren't playing at Taunton or Plymouth and had arranged to travel down today. It's shameful that there is nothing on the RFU website indicating whether the players, coaches, and supporters should prepare to travel or not. Personally, I would be happy with the game going ahead after a two-minute silence.
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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:03
Guardian. The major sports held a meeting with the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport in a call at 9.30am, before the official guidance was publicly released. Quick guide |
Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:05
| Word o the street - Tonight's games are off, others are all on |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:06
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Richard does anyone know what the RFU's 'discretion' is? ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:13
I ve no idea but I agree with a comment from the Worcester board, the RFU will be damned if they do, damned if they don't. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:16
| The RFU to make an announcement by1 o'clock re fixtures tomorrow. |
Posted By: Neasham
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:16
| That may be the case Richard but the official RFU website posted it’s official tribute 16 hours ago. Nothing since then - how long does it take to decide on or off? |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:20
They had to wait this morning for the meeting, presumably as per protocol and now I presume they are consulting stakeholders. If the immediately cancelled people would complain it was a knee jerk reaction and now they are consulting people are complaining. As I said they can't win. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:23
Richard I agree that there will be those that consider that games shouldn't be played and those that believe that life should go on as normal. However the RFU's role is to provide clear and prompt guidance. I am sure that everyone would understand that a prompt decision needed to be made either way. ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: oldman
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:26
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We have all been aware that as the Queen got older so the chances of her dying increased. The Royal household had her funeral planned years ago, is not sensible for the RFU to have plans in place for the inevitable? Incompetence of the highest level. I ran a small but successful business, I had plans to cover each of my staff leaving and even my own incapacitation ------------- oldman |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:26
That is what they are trying to do. I imagine there are lots of things to consider and some maybe outside of their control. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: oldman
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:26
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We have all been aware that as the Queen got older so the chances of her dying increased. The Royal household had her funeral planned years ago, is not sensible for the RFU to have plans in place for the inevitable? Incompetence of the highest level. I ran a small but successful business, I had plans to cover each of my staff leaving and even my own incapacitation ------------- oldman |
Posted By: Hare today!
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:37
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From the RFU Rugby Union to go ahead this weekend
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:40
I suspect the RFU will request a 2 minutes silence at the start of a match. Once again I fear this highlights the financial frailty of some clubs.
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Posted By: Kentishman
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:47
| Only a one minute silence. There is also some discretion to allow clubs to postpone if they feel it appropriate |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 12:56
Of course, thank you. Only two minutes on Remembrance Day
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 13:03
| Premiership Rugby has been able to announce their plans but at the time of writing the RFU website and Twitter feed says nothing since yesterday. Shameful. |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 13:36
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Having read the RFU's announcement I have edited my previous comments to tone down my previous ire. The RFU's announcement is well balanced but having read it I still cannot see why they couldn't have come to the same position by 7 a.m. this morning and prevented the further angst and uncertainty ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 13:41
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Indeed Eddie. Personally I think it is wrong and that football has got it right. I won't be attending my club's game tomorrow as a mark of respect for my Queen but I understand others will have a different view. |
Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 13:43
Twitter feed suggests Coventry v Bedford going ahead. Daft, lack of leadership from HQ. But as a Championship supporter, I accept stupidity from the RFU in all things. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 13:55
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Seems like most of tommorow's games are on. Richmond vs Pirates tonight is still on i believe
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Posted By: Welshie
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 15:03
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I can see both sides of the argument. However with so many other sports and other unions postponing their matches I wonder how much pressure the RFU have been put under by premiership clubs, especially in their current financial predicament . It just shows how much rugby has changed since it turned 'proffessional'!
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Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 15:14
That's very nearly a Ghandi quote isn't it? 'what do you think of professional rugby?' 'I think it would be a very good idea.' ------------- keep the faith |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 15:17
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I read that tonight's Premiership games are off - probably - and tomorrow's are being postponed - possibiy ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 15:30
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With the funeral, tbc Monday 19th, I would hope matches are postponed next weekend, with a decision by Tuesday at the latest. However I know our Governing Bodies track record. ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 15:39
???? Where did you read that FHLH? ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 15:42
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kb? DCMS and the RFU have said games can proceed tomorrow so long as the due respect is shown (mins silence) not sure why next Saturday (17th) would be any different. Likelihood is state funeral Monday 19th, national day of mourning (aka another Bank Holiday) Football is the national game and they decided to go with postponements tomorrow, but easier for their pro-leagues to re-arrange midweek, no so for semi-pro rugby clubs in the Champ, nat 1 and nat 2. Community game with limited gaps in their truncated season are best placed to show the due respect by gathering and playing.
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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 17:00
| Lots of ire about the RFU but I received the RFU Community Game Update yesterday saying that a decision would be taken aftercare DCMS meeting on Friday. I’ve then received the Community Game Update today after the meeting so the comms appear to have worked well. By the way, I’m on a cruise in Alaska and the emails found me OK! |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 17:06
I know that everyone at Caldy was completely in the dark about what was intended and last night cancelled a 200 person fund raiser lunch today ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 20:24
BBC Friday's matches between West Country rivals Bristol and Bath at Ashton Gate and Sale against Northampton have been postponed "as a mark of respect". Bristol and Bath will play on Saturday at 17:30 BST while Sale v Northampton will take place at 15:00 on Sunday. All three games scheduled for Saturday and Wasps' visit to Gloucester on Sunday will go ahead as planned. Matches will start with a minute's silence and players will wear black armbands. The Rugby Football Union has confirmed that games in lower tiers can also be played - Friday's Championship games between Cornish Pirates and Richmond and Coventry and Bedford Blues will go ahead as planned. Clubs can postpone a fixture if they have "connections to the Royal Family or those with large numbers of players in the military or emergency services who will be called away to work on official duties as a result", provided both sides agree. As a result of Northampton's game being moved to Sunday, their following Premiership fixture - at home to London Irish - has been rescheduled for 14:00 on Saturday, 17 September. ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: L33
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 23:06
Several members of Caldy recieved the above emails. As above nothing could be decided until DCMS made their decision
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2022 at 23:52
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I do not doubt that emails may have been sent by the RFU but there was no clarity until after midday which was the issue ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: Bluesman11
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2022 at 10:20
If the funeral is Monday, why do you “hope” that Saturdays games are postponed? Like a another poster on this forum has done, if you really think it is disrespectful to attend to level 2 rugby match 2 days before the queens funeral, then you can choose not to go. But given I think that’s the minority view (demonstrated by the 2100 attendance for the Coventry v Bedford game last night, the poll another poster has set up and also just speaking to friends and family), I don’t think that should be imposed on others who don’t share it. Personally, I’m yet to hear a compelling argument as to why cancelling sporting fixtures constitutes showing respect. I think there are plenty of other ways this can be done, such as bringing people together (each game is being preceded by a minute’s silence and the national anthem). I actually think the RFU have (eventually) got this one right. Cancelling sporting fixtures seems like an arbitrary gesture, especially given other cultural/leisure activities remain open.
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Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2022 at 10:47
well said bluesman 11 
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2022 at 10:51
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Personally I agree Bluesman11 .......my only issue was with the lack of prompt clarity from the RFU. I don't know why the RFU had to await a meeting with DSMC (or whatever its called) particularly as that appears to have clarified nothing as football took a different view to the RFU Anyway there is clarity now ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2022 at 11:15
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I find it interesting that rugby and many of its
supporters are so happy to accept the DCMS guidelines about how to show
respect. The DCMS are part of the very same Government whose leaders whilst
under lockdown last year felt the way to show respect for The Queen on the eve
of her husband’s funeral (where she sat isolated and alone) was to have a
party. Sometime in life you have to think for yourself and not rely on being told what you should do particularly when those doing the telling have little credibility. |
Posted By: Sid James
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2022 at 12:03
Is that the same Government of "little credibility" that got us out of Europe and saved millions with their advanced vaccine programme? But, this is digressing from the point. You have your opinion on this matter. Please allow others to have theirs and, respect their choice to show their respect today, communally, at Rugby grounds all over the country ------------- All Knwoing All Seeing |
Posted By: Bluesman11
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2022 at 12:31
Isn’t thinking for yourself exactly what is happening? You have decided not to attend. Some of us have decided to attend. The DCMS guidance hasn’t influenced my decision ------------- Championship Prediction League Winner 11/12 |
Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2022 at 12:44
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We are straying into politics. I'll end this topic now as the decision has been made. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |