Dual registration players
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Topic: Dual registration players
Posted By: Baggins
Subject: Dual registration players
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 09:58
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I was reading the thread about the Prem/Champ cup next year and the discussion turned to what will happen to dual registered players next season. But which clubs are heavily invested in DR players now and which aren't? I know LS often have some surprisingly good Quins playing for them, Lynagh last week, and Bedford have a clutch of Saints on the books; Hartpury are basically a subsidiary of Glaws aren't they? I doubt Jersey or Ealing have any at all as they are entirely professional But the others I am less sure about I suppose they may have a couple, like Caldy do from Sale. Ampthill used to have a few Saracens for a few years but this seems to have largely stopped now although they obviously do still have strong links there as Kelly Brown has apparently been coming down since Christmas to training, which may go some way to explaining their massive turnaround. But they seem to rely on many swoops on players who haven't been gobbled up by the Prem teams or Welsh regions like Morgan Strong and Gwen Parks. So in that case they are largely dependant on Paul Turner's little black book. For the others I have no idea. ------------- Propping up the board |
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 10:39
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Caldy have used 4 Sale Sharks dual reg players this season. Elliot Gourlay who may no longer be with Sale Sharks has played virtually all of Caldy's games both this season and last season. Nye Thomas, Ethan Caine and Ruben Birch have probably played 3 or 4 games each this season with Caldy's match day squad normally only having Elliot and one other Sale Shark involved, with this second Sale Shark normally featuring from the bench. ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 10:48
| Doncaster have 2 short term loanees from Glasgow as injury cover |
Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 13:33
| Pirates have seen 4 or 5 D/R/s from Exeter at various stages this season, notably Tommy Wyatt who featured for Chiefs against Montpelier last weekend. They haven’t been available when Chiefs had Premiership Cup commitments, a tournament they won. |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 15:43
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I think Cov have dispensed with the DR nonsense, but have had a few loans in to cover, mainly, front row long term injuries. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 15:52
To be honest in my mind they are essentially the same thing ------------- ''The future isn't what it used to be'' |
Kimbo wrote:Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 17:01
You've made an incorrect assumption here B - clubs can be fully professional and still have d/r players - Reds have 3 on season-long loan from Briz (2) & Glaws (1)
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 17:19
https://www.jerseyreds.je/news_article/falcon-freddie-flies-in-on-season-long-loan/" rel="nofollow - Falcon Freddie flies in on season-long loan - Jersey Reds
------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 18:01
According to my (I'm sure incomplete) records LS have used 31 dual registered players this season mostly but not entirely from Quins. |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 18:31
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The season long loans seem to be widely used by most clubs and appear to work well for all sides. I believe Callum Sheedy joined Jersey on that basis from Briz a few years ago and got loads of game time before rejoining Briz and going on to international status. I think there are limits on the practice and seem to remember Pury fielding about half the match day squad at one point but presumably someone monitors this and clubs work within the rules. ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: Rabbie Burns
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 19:15
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If I am correct there are no rules for this in the Champ ------------- So many Christians not enough Lions |
Posted By: Monkey Magic
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2023 at 23:22
 of the mark! Think you must be double counting but never let the truth get in the way of a good story................ |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2023 at 10:03
I understand what you're saying, but they are two different things with differing regulations. I don't like either, but sometimes needs must. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Baggins
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2023 at 10:48
I assumed that they had enough money to dispense with the problems that unpredictable availability leads to. Are season long loans a different matter in that, baring injury crises, they will always be available? Some clubs seem to have moved away from this model to bring stability but if you arrange a long term loan that gives you the best of both worlds, good young players and stability ------------- Propping up the board |
Posted By: Baggins
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2023 at 10:50
That is the extreme end of the scale; the team must never be the same week to week, so while you benefit from better quality players you never gain any cohesion, hence their position in the table I suppose. ------------- Propping up the board |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2023 at 10:53
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Very much depends on negotiation, I reckon. If, as is usually the case in footy, there is a no-recall clause in the loan agreement, then happy days. This is how CCFC and many others in the EFL operate. However, it'll depend on how much of the player's wage is being paid by whom. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2023 at 11:25
To be honest, loaning in injury cover ought to be the least contentious end of things. IMO that's totally appropriate. OK, it would be nice I suppose to have a squad big enough to not need to do it, but Mose the other season basically broke every single player that could play fly half (something like 7) so really even when you think you've got depth... ------------- keep the faith |
Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2023 at 11:50
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Given that many Championship players are on one year contracts there doesn't seem to be a lot of difference between a one year loan and a one year contract but no doubt the fine print in the agreements will be important. The lad Jersey announced as coming from Falcons on a one year loan seems to have continued to perform for Falcons but so far not for Jersey so perhaps they always have first call. ------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2023 at 12:02
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Since the rewrite of the regulations last summer, there are no dual registered players - except in Women's rugby. However, England Academy players are permitted to be registered at several cubs.
All other players must only be registered to one club, but that can be transferred is they are on loan. The regulations permit sides in the Championship a lot of flexibility.
------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2023 at 12:07
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With no meaningful "A" league there's a lot of professional players not playing rugby every week, loaning them to others seems to make sense. It's not a new thing is it, Tigers sent Tom Youngs to Nottingham to convert from centre to hooker, Tom Varndell lost his mojo and was sent to Bedford to re discover his scoring tries ability, sure all concerned got something out of it all. Lower down the leagues clubs have had DR's with varying levels of success, some players staying, some moving on if they make the step up.
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Posted By: corporalcarrot
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2023 at 17:14
------------- Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD. |
Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2023 at 17:35
| 55 players at Ealing apparently. |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2023 at 18:33
So there are no 'dual' registered players - but there are players that can be registered at twice as many clubs. Dual-dual. Even more ludicrous. ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2023 at 15:55
Quite happy to provide my list of "dual-dual" players (thank you Kimbo) . Please highlight the inaccuracies and I will happily amend it: Connor Slevin (FB/FH) - Harlequins Cassius Cleaves (W) - Harlequins Josh
Gillespie (W) - Ealing Bryn
Bradley (C) – Harlequins Hayden
Hyde (C) - Harlequins Jamie
Benson (FH) – Harlequins Cammy
Scott (FH/C) – Edinburgh Lennox
Anyanwu © - Harlequins Elliot Chilvers (LH) – Ealing Will
Hobson (TH) - Harlequins Fin
Baxter (LHP) – Harlequins Jordon
Els (P) – Harlequins Dan
Gamble (TH) – Edinburgh Ethan
Clarke (LH) – Harlequins Harrison
Courtney (LH) - Edinburgh Sam
Riley (H) – Harlequins Tom
Osborne ( ) - Harlequins Cameron
Terry (H) – Ealing Calum
Scott (H) – L Irish Toby
Tyson (H) – Leeds Beckett U Harri
Morris (H) – Edinburgh Jamie
Drummond (H) - Glasgow David
Bridge (SR) – Ealing Max
Williamson (SR) - Glasgow Matas
Jurevicius (BR/SR) – Harlequins Will Trenholm (BR) - Harlequins Viliami
Taulani (BR) – Harlequins Nathan
Jibulu (H) – Harlequins Oran
Murphy (LH) – L Irish Rhys
Litterick (TH) – Harlequins Lewis
Gjaltema (SH) - Harlequins |
Posted By: Monkey Magic
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2023 at 19:37
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2023 at 13:29
DRs (as defined by the RFU) do not exist as has been said earlier in this thread. My comment was about dual registered players (ie players who are registered to play for one team whilst being registered with another) as in the real world. It really isn't that difficult to understand. For most people.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2023 at 19:57
| Disappointing lack of mutual respect between the two most recent posters... |
Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2023 at 11:11
You are right islander but I'm afraid I tend to respond when someone chooses to insult me by accusing me of making things up. If you look back you will clearly see where the lack of respect started. My apologies and this will be my last post on this thread.
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