Who is chewing fingernails?
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Topic: Who is chewing fingernails?
Posted By: Camquin
Subject: Who is chewing fingernails?
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2023 at 17:21
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So at the bottom, we have Leeds and Taunton trying to avoid the drop. I know they could drag DMP, Esher or even Chinnor into the mix, but Both have matches against: Darlington MP, Chinnor, Moseley, Bishop's Stortford, Rosslyn Park and Rams. Leaving Sat 11-Feb-2023 Cinderford v Taunton Sat 25-Feb-2023 Taunton v Hull Sat 01-Apr-2023 Cambridge v Leeds Tykes Sat 15-Apr-2023 Leeds Tykes v Plymouth Albion and the decider Sat 22-Apr-2023 Taunton v Leeds Tykes I think that favours Taunton, but I am terrible at predictions. If Leeds do go down, that could mean long journeys for Chester. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
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Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2023 at 17:36
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Why Chester? Sedgley Park surely ------------- Run with it |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2023 at 17:44
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Chester is further South West, so I would guess it is in line for the level transfer. I know it is not called that any more: but it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, lays duck eggs and tastes good with plumb sauce. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2023 at 17:51
| Plus Sedge look favourites to go up - and I thought it was 3 down from Nat1 to accommodate the 3 winners from NAT2 leagues or are we still guessing because of the continuing Wasps/Worcester debacle |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2023 at 18:36
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It is only two down, as there is apparently no relegation from the Championship - which will expand like an elasticated waistband after a good rugby club lunch. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Runitback
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2023 at 20:16
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What happens if Ealing do not go up? ------------- Run with it |
Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2023 at 22:23
14 currently plus one from Nat 1, plus W & W = 16 nice round number ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Runitback wrote:Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2023 at 22:30
Your maths above is awry FHLH… & also there are currently 12 teams in Champ
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2023 at 22:41
Mea culpa. Still even more room for lots of clubs - 3 up from National 1 perhaps? (but no Cup) However would RFU wallet stretch that far? ------------- "My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts." |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 07:09
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As I understand it, clubs at the top end of N1 have been given clear guidance that there's one promotion spot available this summer, regardless of other factors involving Ealing, Worcester, Wasps. Haven't they? Lots of other threads discussing all the above - this one's about relegation from N1, isn't it?
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Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 07:45
| hull and leeds for relegation |
Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 11:24
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So how will they decide which 2 go up from Nat 2. It was clearly stated that 3 would be relegated from Nat 1 earlier in the season to reflect the 3 feeder leagues. will there be a mini league of 3 play off matched to establish the top 2, or take the top 2 with the best records. Chester were the ones reprieved from Level transfer last season.
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Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 11:37
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All 3 NAT2 winners go up - 2 down from Nat 1 and one promoted. No relegation from Championship so Nat 1 will still operate with 14. Not sure how Chester escape again if Leeds go down The other issue is that if Barnstaple got relegated from Nat2W AND Leeds got relegated then 2 would be required for the West - my guess Chester and Worthing?
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Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 12:08
Cheers, that makes sense
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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 12:38
There could be wider changes. The Nat 2 boundaries will be redrawn each season - to avoid the trading over level transfer. It could depend on who comes up from Regional 1. Too complicated at the moment for me!
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Posted By: NationalLeagueBadger
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 13:51
My understanding was there is then relegation from the Championship, and accordingly three down from N1? https://www.championshiprugby.co.uk/news/article/rfu-statement-competition-update" rel="nofollow - https://www.championshiprugby.co.uk/news/article/rfu-statement-competition-update This may have changed again but I think 12-14 depending on Wasps/Worcester.
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Posted By: Jasper99
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 14:02
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Esher are massively in it given their loss to Taunton. Their run in is home heavy but full of big hitters. How many of those home matches are bankers...and travelling to Hull is tough Sale H Cinderford A Cambridge H Chinnor H Hull A Bishops H DMP A Rams H Taunton have both Hull and Leeds at home. That last game will be pivotal.
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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 23:27
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Interesting that none of the match reports on our game at Taunton refer to losing both hookers to injury before half-time. Losing our 7 who has practiced line-outs left us unable to kick to touch in the second half. Taunton were better on the day but those injuries hampered us. We know we have a tough run-in but the wins achieve recently give us a cushion.
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Posted By: WEvans
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2023 at 11:33
Not even the one on the Esher website! (And did Jack Rouse really play full-back?)
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Posted By: Halliford
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2023 at 13:37
Never believe the ones on our website! The writers are rarely at the game and, no, Jack Rouse didn't play full-back!! Journalism doesn't need to be truthful, as we all know!
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 10:44
If and it is still a very large "IF" Leicester Lions stay at the top of 2 west, then who ever survives in Nat 1 in the north will have one localish fixture. With reference to the Wasps and Wuss situation, fans on the Wasps site seem to be of the opinion they won't be playing anywhere next season and the Wuss situation looks like the administrators maybe obliged to sell to asset strippers with no interest in rugby to get the creditord their money back. Sad and it seems possibly a dirty end for one or maybe even both allegedly.
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 11:43
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SP may well also have Sale and Moseley, and probably Darlington closer than Leicester. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Albert Fishwick
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 13:22
I'm probably the last person who should express an opinion on this as I always thought the Tykes/Carnegie setup was intrinsically bound up with Headingley. I know that players and coaches would never admit it but it might not be the worst thing if Tykes found themselves in N2N. It would certainly offer a more attractive set of away fixtures for many supporters. I'm not close to the powers that be but I can't imagine the kind of sponsors we have would decamp en masse just because we dropped a level. If we still didn't stabilise at level 4 things might be different, I suppose. ------------- That's easy for you to say. |
Posted By: backrowb
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 14:56
| Albert - N2N is a great league for Yorkshire Supporters - Derbies galore |
Posted By: Jasper99
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 13:59
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Seven sides now chewing. Had Moseley beaten DMP over the weekend they may have gotten away but with this weekends visitors being Rams they have definitely been sucked into what might be a very competitive final furlong. Any wins for Leeds, Taunton or Esher this weekend particularly a win for Leeds probably makes it a 6 horse race for survival and a pretty tough one to call. Not a great time for Chinnor to start leaking points and an awful time to have an injury crisis. |
Posted By: upnorthcombine
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2023 at 15:27
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Posted By: RedPete
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2023 at 16:49
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If Ealing merge with Ospreys and play in the URC, presumably only two will be relegated from N1. From a personal viewpoint, I do hope that is the case!
------------- Compassion for the conned, contempt for the conmen. |
Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2023 at 17:15
| Now I AM confused!! Your comment "only three" suggests you were expecting 4 and here's me thinking it was going to be 2? Somebody must know or are we all total limbo?? |
Posted By: 'Hopper
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2023 at 17:48
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My thinking is, three down and the winners of the three National 2 Leagues promoted. ------------- What if the Hokey Kokey really IS what it's all about? |
Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2023 at 17:50
yes, pretty sure it's already been said that this season it's one up from national 1, none down from the Championship, two down from national 1, and 3 up from national 2? Unless I've dreamed that. ------------- keep the faith |
Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2023 at 18:11
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That makes sense. 3 depart Nat1, 3 arrive in Nat1 so stays at 14
Relax RedPete - well almost - you're not safe yet!
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2023 at 11:55
https://www.ncarugby.com/announcements/national-league-rugby-update-promotion-and-relegation-from-national-one/" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Update: Promotion and Relegation from National One
We are aware the situation could change depending on discussions around the futures of Wasps/Worcester Warriors and we will provide an update in due course. |
Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2023 at 12:45
| As you were RedPete - start panicking again!! |
Posted By: jimbojetset
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2023 at 13:32
Well as long as we have clarity (checks notes) with five games left this season..... How are we at the point where we don't actually know how many teams will be relegated? Will they let them know in August? |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2023 at 13:42
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Well, another side could go bankrupt. Ealing's status is still to be resolved. There is still the Wasps situation to resolve. We do not know where, or if they wil be playing. They have been radio silent for three months. London Scottish could join the Scottish Fosroc series, as has been mooted (and denied) on previous occasions. Actually, as that is played in July, it could enter both. But it is poor.
------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2023 at 14:19
| I can't think of any other sport where a governing body don't set down the parameters for how many will get promoted or relegated at the start of every season so everyone knows where they stand and what they're aiming for. It's just one mess after another |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2023 at 14:38
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They did, it was one up and three down. We were to have a 14 team Premiership and a 12 team Championship. That worked well. I would point out that this is not the first season we have not known what would happen until halfway through, but it might look like we had a chip on our shoulder. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: RedPete
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2023 at 09:55
I made a mistake in my post re Ealing (now corrected). If Ealing move to URC maybe only 2 go down from N1. The Taunton coaching staff were confident last night of staying in N1 but without doubt MRDA (Mandy Rice Davies Applies), as for myself, I think we've left it too late  ------------- Compassion for the conned, contempt for the conmen. |
Posted By: semisonic
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2023 at 19:28
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I still have Hull, Leeds and Esher going down with Taunton dragging themselves out on 22nd by beating Leeds at Home with the slightly easier? run in. As a Mose fan, I think we need to beat Hull Away, Leeds and Taunton at Home to stave off relegation - a lot of teams at the bottom play each other so a few 8/10 pointers to come, beginning with having to travel to Hull who pushed Sale on 4th March and have nothing to lose.
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Posted By: Jasper99
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2023 at 20:09
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The Taunton coaching staff were confident last night of staying in N1 but without doubt MRDA (Mandy Rice Davies Applies), as for myself, I think we've left it too late [/QUOTE]
I may have agreed with you had Rams not lost to Albion. That brings Cambridge right back into the picture and means Rams will be super invested in their final fixture at Esher. That leaves Esher having to go to Hull (who have a few returning from injury), having to go to DMP (who have only lost once to Rams at home since 28th October) and deal with a feisty Bishops at home. I think Esher need 8-11 points from these 3 matches to give themselves a fighting chance.
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Posted By: tigerburnie
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2023 at 16:41
| Leeds fixtures look brutal with only one at home. |
Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2023 at 09:58
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As a Moseley supporter we have two at home and three away. Home to Leeds and Taunton will be tough, but winnable, while away Plymouth, Sale FC and Cambridge, not confident but try bonus at one or two possible. Sure there will be many a twist right upto final games. ------------- Cauliflower ear. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2023 at 10:57
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You are one of two teams to have beaten Cambridge, so do not rule out another upset. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2023 at 11:25
------------- Cauliflower ear. |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2023 at 11:36
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Oddly, I am hoping it is - with Moseley safe and sound and in a party mood. Needs Sale or Cinderford to do us a big favour. Oddly, last time sale did us a favour was by not really turning up for the game we needed to win at theirs. When you were playing Caldy for your own survival. Your last minute victory condemned them to the drop and saved us. But they certainly learned lessons from that. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2023 at 11:45
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Remember it well. ------------- Cauliflower ear. |
Posted By: kempstonblue
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2023 at 11:52
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I wonder how many nails are being chewed among the top 3? ------------- The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused. |
Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2023 at 12:05
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Relegation didn't harm Caldy back then. ------------- Cauliflower ear. |