North Premier Final League Positions
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Topic: North Premier Final League Positions
Posted By: Semajdrib
Subject: North Premier Final League Positions
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 22:02
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This is my prediction of what the RFU will do with North Premier.. https://docdro.id/4QEmOeb" rel="nofollow - https://docdro.id/4QEmOeb We shall know for sure at 6pm tomorrow.
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Posted By: tulip
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 08:00
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Obviously a statistical mathematical prediction. You have to look at the remaining games. Sandal are the form team at the moment and their remaining games against lower sides are four potential 5 pointers. You have got us down for 13 points. That is not realistic. Having said that would we want to be promoted??
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Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 09:27
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Easily the toughest and tightest league to predict. If Harrogate & Macc had the points from the games in hand, they along with Blaydon would all be on 85 points. Looking at the fixtures hypothetically my guess would be that Harrogate win every game Sandal win every game Macc to lose one Blaydon to lose one Bill to lose one We'll find out at 6pm
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Posted By: 'Hopper
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 09:37
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I did a similar exercise for N2N based on the RFU's calculus, which gives Otley to be relegated along with us and the already doomed Sunny Scunny. We await the official declaration later today.
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Posted By: pen 15
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 09:56
------------- is it stours year yet |
'Hopper wrote:Posted By: 'Hopper
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 10:33
Certainly looked that way, similar to Sandal in North Premier. ------------- What if the Hokey Kokey really IS what it's all about? |
Posted By: Pristine Shorts
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 10:33
| Well no doubt about us, I’m afraid ! But are the leagues also going to be reorganised again ? Or has that been shelved ? |
Posted By: oldbill10
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 10:48
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i cant see the season starting on time so given that use this time to make the change otherwise come the end of next season then you will have more upset. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 13:32
Hinckley may join Leicester Lions in N2S next season. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 13:35
No you don't. From what I've read Work out average points per home game, multiply by number of home games left Work out average points per away game, multiply by number of away games left Add these 2 results to existing points Absolutely no weighting as to supposedly easy/hard games left. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Semajdrib
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 16:14
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https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/1d/1d602337-7f0c-401d-89b3-4ea9b38fecb6/Levels%205%20-%207.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/1d/1d602337-7f0c-401d-89b3-4ea9b38fecb6/Levels%205%20-%207.pdf
As predicted! The RFU website isn't showing the National 2 leagues yet so i guess we will have to wait a few more hours to see who is coming down to replace Blaydon and Harrogate.
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Posted By: openthegate
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 16:15
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Looks like Blaydon & Harrogate up Carlisle, Ilkley & Morpeth down
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Posted By: oldbill10
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 16:18
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no easy way to settle this but if i was a Sandal fan i would be very disappointed as they had the easiest run in for me i think the lucky ones are Blaydon even though they were top they still had to go to Harrogate and Macclesfield. Otley and Preston are coming down |
Posted By: Semajdrib
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 16:29
| Yes i agree, Blaydon have done well from this. Macclesfield and Sandal will be very disappointed. Especially Sandal considering they gave Blaydon a hiding just before COVID struck. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 16:31
They need to sort out the level transfers from North to South. 2 will be required for next season. Leicester Lions can be exempt if they wish to return to the North or they can choose to stay in South I suspect Hinckley may be the second, although who would replace LL if they choose to go back I am unsure at present. (Got caught out last year as I was unaware of the 2% rule) ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 16:31
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How have Sandal not gone up?
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Posted By: Fudgepacker
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 16:42
Raider, as you may know Hinckley actually had less additional mileage last season than LL but were saved from compulsory transfer because they finished higher in the league than LL who were within 2% of their mileage total. So LL were made to move instead. We calculate that my club (Bournville) come next (well outside the 2% rule) then Stourbridge.
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Posted By: Mixed grill stottie
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 16:46
I think the most unlucky team here must be Morpeth. With their recent upturn in form including running Sandal very close, IMHO would see them climb above their neighbours to safety. ------------- I am not young enough to know everything. |
Posted By: Semajdrib
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 16:54
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https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/7a/7aeb62e4-b125-4d65-affd-f78e23357d48/Levels%203%20%26%204.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/7a/7aeb62e4-b125-4d65-affd-f78e23357d48/Levels%203%20%26%204.pdf
Confirmed tables for levels 3 and 4
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Posted By: 'Hopper
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 16:59
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If I've if I've got it right there will need to be one transfer from Midlands Premier to North Premier.
------------- What if the Hokey Kokey really IS what it's all about? |
Posted By: Friendly prop
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 18:31
I think you have 2 coming down Otley and yourselves and 3 coming up York, Burnage and Northwich by my reckoning ------------- "Animo concipere non possum quo palto hoc pervease exeat." |
Posted By: 'Hopper
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 19:11
My mistake, sorry. ------------- What if the Hokey Kokey really IS what it's all about? |
Posted By: Loo fighters
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 19:28
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Northwich
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 19:42
Indeed - I had calculated Hinkley as the team to come south last year but didn't know about the 2% rule (until then). Where 2 or more teams fall within the 2% the lowest of these is transferred. You actually need to take the mileage of all teams in N2S from each contender from N2N - this will differ from last year because of promotions and relegations Note, Guernsey are treated as Gatwick Airport for these purposes. I'm not sure if a team promoted or relegated to N2N can be transferred or not - seem to recall they cannot. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Semajdrib
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 21:16
I don't think so. There has only been 13 clubs in Midlands Premier during 2019/20 due to one club dropping out. They will be back up to 14 next season due to the fact that there are only two being relegated from Midlands Premier (Peterborough Lions and Kettering). There will be three clubs going up in to Midlands Premier, (Dudley Kingswnfd, Syston and Oundle) making 14 for next season.
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Posted By: Whaa Hoo Wilkey
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 22:57
| Whatever the mathematical computation, it seems a little unfair given that our two games in hand, were at home, and against teams that we had already beaten away. Bonus wins, whilst in no way guaranteed, would have put us top. Hey ho, there were always going to be winners and losers - once more, at least, into the great northern premier league. |
Posted By: Thatbloke
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 08:27
| Or Midlands maybe? |
Posted By: MikeGC
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 08:44
| The rumours I have heard are that Burnage join Northern Premier and Northwich level transfer into Midlands Premier |
Posted By: Count Ford
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 09:01
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It's likely that 3 of the below 4 will need to be in Midland Premier. Sandbach have been there a while and seem settled. Doncaster Phoenix and Sheffield have also had time in Midlands.
I suspect it all depends on who volunteers to move over Doncaster Phoenix Sheffield Sandbach Northwich
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Posted By: Whaa Hoo Wilkey
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 12:58
I think it will be!
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Posted By: Semajdrib
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 13:44
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If I was Northwhich or sandbach, I'd want to be in North Premier next season. There will be lots of Cheshire derbys against Macclesfiled, Wirral, Lymm and Burnage. Plus games against clubs from South Lancahire: Preston, Blackburn and Rossendale. Plus only 2 journeys to the north east compared to 4 in 2019/20.
I haven't worked it out but id expect there will be far less travelling in North Premier compared to Midlands Premier. |
Posted By: Penda
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 16:15
| We are furthest South so I guess we'll stay in Mids. That being said it is always a shame each season that we don't get to play against old rivals like you mention. |
Posted By: Friendly prop
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 16:35
But we'd miss coming to you and standing on your Bell end
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Posted By: Penda
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 16:59
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Posted By: Semajdrib
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 17:10
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jLPupZVuHLUPG-6PXCzPkNMaggPbVVX-&usp=sharing%20" rel="nofollow - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jLPupZVuHLUPG-6PXCzPkNMaggPbVVX-&usp=sharing
Google map showing how 2020/21 might look if Northwich join.
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Posted By: PiffPaff
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 08:24
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S, You might need to brush up on your Geography/History, Burnage are a Lancashire club, and in no way are Hoppers, Blackburn and Rossendale South Lancs Clubs especially as the RFU think South Lancashire is South of the East Lancs Road. Other than that good point.  ------------- Crouch, Bind, Tweet! |
Posted By: Semajdrib
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 10:23
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Haha yes fair enough, I didn’t bother checking. I assumed that because Sale and Stockport are Cheshire, Burnage would be too. Anyway, as the map shows there’s 8 clubs bunched together within about an hours drive of each other. A big change compared to how the league looked in 2019/20. So more appealing for Cheshire clubs that could be in either North Premier or Midlands Premier.
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Posted By: MikeGC
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 11:04
For some reason, when I open the map all I get is a map of my street. Burnage - we've always been a Lancashire club. At our current home (we moved here in the late 70's), the River Mersey runs along the southern edge of our grounds. This was (I’m told) the former border between Lancashire and Cheshire. We were originally an Old Boys Club, formed by lads who attended Burnage Grammar School in south Manchester. However, when we were formed we were a bit nomadic and without a proper home. We played on council playing fields nearer the middle of Manchester before moving to our first proper home on Burnage Lane, on the border between Manchester and Stockport. |
Posted By: Semajdrib
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 11:16
I assume you are opening the link on your phone, if you copy that link and open it using the google chrome app you may have better luck. Alternatively a screen shot of the map has been added to the North Premier twitter handle https://twitter.com/NORTHPREMIER1/status/1246730892850212864?s=20" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/NORTHPREMIER1/status/1246730892850212864?s=20
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Posted By: MikeGC
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 11:50
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Opening the map on my iPad, but I guess it’s the same problem. Thank you |